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  1. PuppyCat

    PuppyCat O.T. Mom

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    Can anyone out explain to me in laymen's terms what in the name of San Juan Hill an "Ego/Id Conundrum" is?

    I get lost reading all the psych babble on the internet.

    Thank you kindly.

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  2. johan

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    Can you be a little more specific with what you want to know?
    That'd help me be more concise.
     
  3. Crotchy

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    Can't fine the proper definition of Ego/Id Conundrum..
    A conundrum: A Conundrum is a puzzling question. In one variety of conundra (the unusual plural reflects the word's Latin origin), the question is posed as a riddle and the answer is or involves a pun. More broadly, a conundrum is any problem where the answer is very complex, possibly unsolvable without deep investigation. A mystery or paradox can often be phrased as a conundrum.

    Perhaps an Ego/ID conundrum is where a complex problem, that cannot be diagnosed properly, affects a person mentally. Not to be confused with scizophrenia.
    Dunno...
     
  4. dave steel

    dave steel My Kung Fu is the best.

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    conundrum...Greenspan brought this word back to life. Now everyone is using it.
     
  5. PuppyCat

    PuppyCat O.T. Mom

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    Part of a poem written by someone I know


    ...I shuffle papers and scribble notes
    Moments of lucidity,
    One day someone will have to sort them all out
    Or more likely trash the lot.
    In the end we are so insignificant
    Is it all in my mind, it doesn't seem so
    but what motivates me
    Fuck, I am in some sort of ego/if conundrum
    Part of me wants it all
    Part of me wants none of it
    I want balance.
     
  6. JordanClarkson

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    According to Freud, we are born with our Id. The id is an important part of our personality because as newborns, it allows us to get our basic needs met. Freud believed that the id is based on our pleasure principle. In other words, the id wants whatever feels good at the time, with no consideration for the reality of the situation. When a child is hungry, the id wants food, and therefore the child cries. When the child needs to be changed, the id cries. When the child is uncomfortable, in pain, too hot, too cold, or just wants attention, the id speaks up until his or her needs are met.



    The id doesn't care about reality, about the needs of anyone else, only its own satisfaction. If you think about it, babies are not real considerate of their parents' wishes. They have no care for time, whether their parents are sleeping, relaxing, eating dinner, or bathing. When the id wants something, nothing else is important.



    Within the next three years, as the child interacts more and more with the world, the second part of the personality begins to develop. Freud called this part the Ego. The ego is based on the reality principle. The ego understands that other people have needs and desires and that sometimes being impulsive or selfish can hurt us in the long run. Its the ego's job to meet the needs of the id, while taking into consideration the reality of the situation.



    By the age of five, or the end of the phallic stage of development, the Superego develops. The Superego is the moral part of us and develops due to the moral and ethical restraints placed on us by our caregivers. Many equate the superego with the conscience as it dictates our belief of right and wrong.



    In a healthy person, according to Freud, the ego is the strongest so that it can satisfy the needs of the id, not upset the superego, and still take into consideration the reality of every situation. Not an easy job by any means, but if the id gets too strong, impulses and self gratification take over the person's life. If the superego becomes to strong, the person would be driven by rigid morals, would be judgmental and unbending in his or her interactions with the world. You'll learn how the ego maintains control as you continue to read.
     
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    well then.

    I'll just give you a simple and easy-to-use explanation of the id, ego, superego (Freud's basic construct of the psyche).

    The id would correspond to the child, concerned mostly with pleasure and self-gratification and governed by its passions.
    The ego would correspond to the adult, bulwark of rationality and logic and thinking.
    The superego corresponds to the parent, it forms your moral and ethical centre, delineating right from wrong, should's and ought's.

    I'm interpreting these constructs as a function of Berne's ideas, as I remember you asking about them before (and me explaining them).

    Now, as for some analysis of the poem, I would say whoever wrote this poem is struggling with choosing between what he knows would be good for him (but doesn't want), and what he really wants (but knows....isn't necessarily very good for him). And furthermore, it is his id that is winning out.

    I think even the act of penning this little missive is him leaning towards gratiating himself. So, more properly told, it would be a clash between the id and the superego, but then, that doesn't flow from the tongue as well, does it. I think the last little line about "...wanting balance" was included purely for the reader's benefit, and its inclusion is more than a little disingenuous.
     
  8. PuppyCat

    PuppyCat O.T. Mom

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    Thanks everybody...I understand.

    Much obliged.
     

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