GUN Defense Review: XM-8 having some problems

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  1. Clingman

    Clingman Clingman runs Bartertown.

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    Anyone have thoughts on this? This article has led to some heated arguments on other forums :) Rumor has it that the handguards are melting and making it impossible to change the barrel. Another rumor states that the rear of the receiver has a weak spot that allows the rifle to be easily rendered inoperable (broken in half? :eek4: )

    I have arguments both for and against the XM-8's cause but I'll wait and see what everyone says.
     
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    If it is a handguard problem, then it's not a big deal. Just some changes in the material and everything will be good. If it is a problem with the design of the receiver, then it would be a bigger problem.
     
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    the XM-8 is done anyways. the SCAR-L program has already chosen its winner, and the XM-8 got stomped. i don't think it's going anywhere else.
     
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    Clingman Clingman runs Bartertown.

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    I tend to agree here; handguards are hardly an issue. Doubtful that the receiver would have material problems; not having enough 'meat' in a certain place is also a pretty simple fix.

    Footratfunkface has a good point though. These new requirements sure sound a lot like the SCAR requirements. SCAR breaks down to SCAR-H (heavy) and SCAR-L (light). SCAR-H is a squad mg-type variant with more barrel, etc. And rumor says that SCAR-L is in the bag with FN and their Super-FNC. If the Super-FNC won SCAR-L then these requirements could probably be met with no modifications as FN's SCAR-L and (yet unheard of) SCAR-H will have interchangeable parts.

    Some people say XM-8's death is unlikely due to the amount of money invested. But look what happened to the Comanche attack helicopter. We pocketed the technology but didn't end up buying any helicopters. Of course there are rumors that there are in fact operational Comanches but that is another topic entirely :naughty:
     
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    Painkiller Sometimes remembering is better than forgetting

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    XM-8 was a waste of money is the first place. Gas piston does not equal better.
     
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    no. the SCAR-L winner is sort of like a combination of an FNC and the LMT MRP.
     
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    uh oh, HK dropped the ball, whos gonna pick it up
     
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    Thank god.

    The implications of our troops carrying weapons that rely so heavily on electronics, especially in a lack of supplies (read: batteries) situation, were dubious.
     
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    can you elaborate some?


    does this mean the M16 is done?
     
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    Have you seen the M4 lately?
     
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    Yes. It's disgusting.
     
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    yes.

    no.
     
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    :cool:
     
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    Otsego Hive Wait, what? We're being swapped?

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    if i remember correctly, the m-16 had some design/firing problems originally, but they were all cleaned up
     
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    Platinum_Thunder Reliability for life and liberty

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    the XM8 has flip up iron sights :dunno:
     
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    it may now, but it sure as hell didn't. and i doubt a bullpup will EVER be adopted by the US military. mainly, because they're gay. they're slow to operate, too. the super FNC will have a folding stock that partially collapses, along with an uninterupted top rail, and rails on the side and bottom of the barrel also. it think it'll be a great piece of weaponry once it's fully developed. it'd be even better if the FN factory here started making FNC's.
     
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    :bowdown::rofl:

    Couldn't have put it better.
     
  19. Vermincelli

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    Bullpups are a great design. full length barrel in a compact unit. If you ever have had to wield a rifle around in CQB you would appreciate it. With the weight back in the stock, a bullpup is also easier to swing to target.

    I would take an AUG over an M4 if I ever had to return to duty. (Although a P90 would now be my first choice)
     
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    they're slower to reload. by far. and you can't see the internals where the first round is stripped off the top of the mag. if you have a FTF, you can't see what the fuck it is, and you will have a harder time clearing it.



    on a side note, a friend of mine is in a NG unit that's mobilizing the on the 6th. he seems to think that they might be getting the XM8. i told him he's mistaken, because they're not going to give some shitass NG unit from lawrenceville, GA a brand new rifle to test out. either way, he doesn't want it if they do try to give it to them. they are getting the new ACU's though.
     
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    Depends on practice. When I was testing the AUG, the owner could reload it in the same amount of time that I could with an M16 and I was able to get up to par after about the 10th mag. It's just different moves that just like standard designs takes muscle memory training.

    As for FTFs, just pull bolt back and you have access just as you do with an M16 and clearing is the same. The P90 reload times are just as fast and clearing an ftf is no problem either. I have played with both weapons and after practice I found the bullpups to be a more ergonomic design and much more natural to use.
     
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    Painkiller Sometimes remembering is better than forgetting

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    The XM8 was never meant to be. HK thinks they can make a M16 series better by adding more plastic and full auto with a useless gas piston system.
     
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    Painkiller Sometimes remembering is better than forgetting

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    The M16 series rifle is accurate because most in part to it's inline operating system.When you take a Heavy gas piston slaming back and forth it takes away acuracy, but adds reliabilty. However if solider keeps his rifle clean then it's a moot point.
     
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    is accurancy at a distance while in automatic firing a big concern?
     
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    Painkiller Sometimes remembering is better than forgetting

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    Yes because thats a waste of ammuniton to me.
     

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