MIL Damn, no more moral waivers?

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  1. fourty03

    fourty03 The quick brown fox couldn't jump over your mother

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    I figured to make a new post rather than adding to this onehttp://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=4148367


    I've done a lot of research and I found out around the beginning of March,
    the Army is no longer accepting moral waivers for adult felonies.

    Of course, this upsets me - as maybe it was bad timing on my part and
    bad judgment when I was young and dumb.

    My recruiter tried (it seemed) to find ways around it, to no success.
    They basically said maybe in a few months it may open back up.

    I was suppose to go to MEPS last Friday pending the result of my situation
    with a felony.

    I do not want to second guess the recruiter, as he seemed to really want
    to help me out.

    I have a GED - and I am 24.
    In my state, I was charged with a felony theft, (just as I turned 18) and
    processed. Fingerprinted... etc
    I was released within 2 hours because I was found not to be a flight risk.
    I have no juvenile record and no other records. This happened 6 years ago.

    I went to court and the Judge found me to have good character and moral
    values, I just happened to make a mistake. I basically proved to the court
    my hardship when I was growing up - renting out a room since I was
    14 and working my butt off to support my self.

    I proved to the Judge that I was way out of my behavior and I have been
    providing and supporting for my self. I had freinds, teachers etc.
    to show good cause on my behalf..

    So the Judge gave me a Probation before Judgment disposition.
    To show good faith, I told the Judge that I must be allowed to
    pay all the damages I have caused regardless if the court
    or persons involved say not to.

    In return, the judge gave me a "not guilty" status on the
    charge. In the state that I live in, I was told that I do not have
    to disclose this to any potential employers nor can they hold
    it against me. I never had this charge ever hold me back.

    I know the military wanted to know about any records ,
    convicted or not - to be known. So, I take it that
    I was convicted, and as of now, I cannot obtain
    any moral waivers. Is this correct ?

    I believe this falls into the adverse disposition clause ?

    Thanks!
     
  2. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    Are those the lyrics to the latest T.I. song?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    me thinks the not guilty part isn't the truth
     
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    Off Memento Mori

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    you were convicted but the judge found you not guilty?

    wat
     
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    go try to buy a gun. if they let you (after they call the fbi for the background check) you are not a convict. if they say wtf guy hell no you cant have a gun, then you = criminal/convict.

    if not a convict by this test, you need not tell the army shit.
     
  7. fourty03

    fourty03 The quick brown fox couldn't jump over your mother

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    Nah, this shit dont come up on employer's background checks.

    Yes, I can vote.

    I have not tried to buy a gun ...

    So I believe I was convicted... since I paid shit back ...
     
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    thekinggovernor OT Supporter

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    you need to find this out, how do you not know?
     
  9. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    Go to the court and ask for the records on the case. Tell them you want to see whether you were convicted or not.

    When in doubt, go to the source. :dunno:
     
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    Break into the court house and steal your records.




    :hsugh:
     
  11. fourty03

    fourty03 The quick brown fox couldn't jump over your mother

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    Charge No:001Description:
    THEFT-SCHEME: $500 PLUS
    Statute:CR.7.104
    Description:THEFT-SCHEME: $500 PLUS
    Amended Date:
    CJIS Code:3 5041MO/PLL:
    Probable Cause:
    Incident Date From: 07/09/2004 To: 07/09/2004
    Victim Age: 
     
    [B][I]Disposition[/I] [/B]
     
    Plea:NOT GUILTY   Disposition: PBJ UNSUPERVISED
    Disposition Date: 09/15/2004   Fine:$0.00   Court Costs:$20.00
    CICF:$35.00    Amt Suspended:    Fine:$0.00   Court Costs:$20.00
    CICF:$35.00 
    PBJ EndDate:09/15/2005
    Probation End Date:
    Jail Term:      Yrs:            
     
    
    This is what contradicts whether its is an actual conviction or not... I do not expect the recruiter to
    be an expert in law - but he did not ask anyone higher up..
    Maybe I should contact a lawyer?
     
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  12. fourty03

    fourty03 The quick brown fox couldn't jump over your mother

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    lolz only if your the look out
     
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    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    If your recruiter can't get a waiver, you can contact your congressman's office to see if they can help. But BEFORE you do that, line up three very solid references that will vouch for your character. Get them to write a letter talking about how solid a citizen you have made of yourself. Also make sure that your story is straight and solid.

    Good luck.
     

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