Critique my younger brothers+friends deadlift video please OT?! THANKS

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  1. k1d.

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    Hey everyone.
    I recently started the 5/3/1 and got a chance to get both of my younger brothers to start working out with me..[which is pretty damn awesome by the way.. no homo]
    I was wondering if you guys could give some advice on their form or any tips I can give them so they can fix it..
    *I know only one angle sucks.. but I'll try to get more next time*

    Brother #1 - Age 16 - Height 5'6 - Weight 145
    Week 1 of 5/3/1 Second Cycle.
    Deadlifts for max reps.. 27 reps x 165lb
    When he started he barely did 3 reps x 115lb 5 weeks ago.
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    Brother #2 - Age 18 - Height 5'6 - Weight 140
    Week 1 of 5/3/1 Second Cycle.
    Deadlifts for max reps.. 23 reps x 165lb
    When he started he barely did 5 reps x 115lb 5 weeks ago.
    [looks like hes rolling his shoulders... doesnt let the bar go all the way down.. but maybe the reason he doesnt try to let the weight touch is the douchebags at lifetime fitness complains about us deadlifting..]
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    Friend - Age 18 - Height 6'0 - Weight 175-180~
    Been lifting for awhile I guess.. Still trying to teach him good form.. anything you guys can give me would be great.
    Deadlifts for max reps.. 17 reps x 295lb
    [right off of the bat.. foot placement.. no bending in knees? leaning back too much? bouncing weight off of ground instead of deadstop?]
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  2. knight42

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    how about filming from a better angle
     
  3. knight42

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    and why the fuck are you repping 20+ times... up the fucking weight some
     
  4. Ferrari430

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    Here is proper form taught by a professional (Rippetoe):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt7A23YnpA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-N9hAuxNs


    These videos should give you most if not all of the information you need regarding form.

    I'm no expert, but imo all of the sets had too much bounce and an unusually high amount of reps.

    Brother #1 seems ok at best, could use slower movements
    Brother #2 looks like he is bending his knees too much and again could use slower more controlled movements
    Your buddy would have pretty decent form if he stopped bouncing the stupid weight.

    Typically, deadlifts are an exercise where you have fewer reps in each set (under 10?). The bouncing does you no good, and takes a lot away from the exercise.

    With all that said, rippetoes' video should give you all the information you need regarding form.
     
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    Was just following 5/3/1
    Adjusted the percentage according to their training max.
    Should I change it then if everyone can rep 10+?
     
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    Too many reps + too much bouncing. However, the form is not bad at all for guys who are just getting into lifting.
     
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    Thanks for the videos and tips.

    Thanks for also pointing that out DTR rex

    I'll take everyones advice.
    Will let them watch the video and also point out the things they're doing wrong..
    Also gonna change up the training max for 5/3/1 and will report back next time with better videos..
     
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    Way too much lateral movement and tilting/leaning on your brothers, tell them to slow the fuck down and focus on the movement and stop bouncing. For your brothers, try and get them to start using a double overhand grip more often than not, and only switch to over-under when they can no longer hold on to it. Also, switch between which hand is over and which hand is under so they don't develop imbalances.

    You're also not following the routine properly if they're able to get 27 fucking reps of their "training max"

    What do you mean by training max? The highest they've gone so far? The max is supposed to be based on a 1 rep max.
     
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    It's going to take more than one time to get the form down correctly, so make sure they focus on doing it properly over the next few weeks until they have it down.
     
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    Training max = .90 of 1 rep max..

    Then the program goes..
    (for first week anyways)
    5x60% 5x70% [as many reps as you can]x80%

    It's probably bad because the max were off since they were n00bs when i took their max
     
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    Absolutely. Once they get their form down, it would be a good idea to have them work up to a 3-5 rep max and recalculate everything. Are they doing 20+ reps for all of the other exercises as well?
     
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    Bench they range from 10-13
    SOHP range from 10-15
    Squat for brother #1 is about 8-10
    Squat for brother #2 is about 20+

    Man I guess this means I have to change my "training max" for deadlift also..
    Everything else is in the good range I suppose..
    Bench - 7 to 8
    SOHP - 9 most of the time
    Squat - 8 to 12
    My deadlift is always at 10+ though.
     
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    side view would reveal more critical flaws, but in addition to what others have said, with all of the momentum and quick cadence/throwback of shoulders, you can cheat yourself out of some major back stimulation. if you think of the top part of the movement as a sort of lat row, as opposed to throwing the shoulders back for the sake of a 'completed' rep, it can make a pretty substantial difference in muscle stimulation. It can be tricky to heavily utilize the lats throughout the movement, but doing them sumo style helps to get the hang of it.
     
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    last guy needs to move hands in and you all need to stop "reping"
     
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    "Come on bitch, lets go!"


    lol


    it's been said, too many reps. But, even so a dude who's 170 and DLing 295 17 time, he's doing alright for strength imo
     
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    2nd and last guy need to close up their stance and put their hands up against their legs.

    other than that, that's some sick high reps :rofl: too many for 5/3/1 though, need to up their max's and restart i think.
     
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    all shold try moving their feet in.

    also, last guy looks to be overextending the lockout...which can be bad when the weight gets heavier...


    20+ reps are dumb. 10+ reps are dumb. in fact reps on the deadlift are dumb unless coming to a complet stop. Bouncing is a great way to tear something, ask me how i know.
     
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    been said already but treat each rep individually, stop fully at the bottom. Also the reps seem high, but you do what you want.
     
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    Yeah, they are REALLY swinging. Up the weight and be more static about it IMO
     
  21. Bobert

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    Just because you heard the word static the other day, doesn't mean it's okay to use in random places.
     
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    Moving too fast. Brother #2 looks like a scissor lift stand with each movement. Looks like they don't have much control when going down, they just sort of drop it and let it bounce to add more reps.
     
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    why is the third guy headbanging at the top of every rep?


    I like to do deads with a closer stance and grip than all of the guys in those vids. I also reset the weight each rep unless I'm doing SLDL or RDL
     
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    Additionaly, reping makes it quite a bit easier, and propagates bad form. :bigthumb:
     
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