Have 2 questions.... 1) WTF is the command to make an empty div display even if there's no text. The following is the style i set to the div. It's going to be used as a shadow, and i just want it to appear empty and use the shadow as the bg image. Code: position:absolute; top:15px; width:5px; float:right; right:-5px; display:inline; background-image:url(./images/bordershadow.gif); background-repeat:repeat-y; I tried using display: inline and display:block... but neither worked. My second question is: 2) Is there a way i can make a child div just as tall as it's parent div? For example, if i have: Code: <div style="style shit goes here"> a whole lotta text going here <div style="float:right.... other elements to make it align right"> Shadow from question 1 </div> </div> How can i make the child div just as tall as the parent? I hope that's clear... if not, please ask me to clarify.