Could the CDMA standard be changed

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  1. YelloWRX

    YelloWRX Sonic Yellow...Bitch!

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    to allow CDMA-SIM cards? (I'm not talking about interoperability with GSM)
     
  2. BlackWRX02

    BlackWRX02 OTs Cingular Guru

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    why?

    I suppose anything is possbile. I'm sure its probably not cost effective, considering CDMA works just fine as it is now
     
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    Vagabond Nope. OT Supporter

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    To what end? Just so you can buy and use multiple phones? Or make it that much easier to get your phone stolen.
     
  5. zennoodle

    zennoodle ...hmm must've misplaced my socks

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    WCDMA phones will have sim cards. Everybody is going in the route of sim cards...
     
  6. turbodeuce

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    wcdma is an gsm overlay. It isn't compatible with cdma like verizon and sprint use.
     
  7. zennoodle

    zennoodle ...hmm must've misplaced my socks

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    I must be thinking of cdma2000 then for the CDMA people.
     
  8. YelloWRX

    YelloWRX Sonic Yellow...Bitch!

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    how does the existence of a sim make the phone easier to get stolen???
     
  9. zennoodle

    zennoodle ...hmm must've misplaced my socks

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    Because in the U.S. and Canada, there is no way to blacklist an IMEI number like in Europe and Asia therefore if you find a phone, just pop in your sim card and you have a brand new phone to use.
     
  10. maczter

    maczter Life is trying things to see if they work.

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    doesn't make it "easier to get stolen," just makes a stolen or found phone easier to use and a stolen phone harder to recover. good reason to put a PIN number on your SIM card, so at least if it does get stolen they can't use your SIM card.
     
  11. zennoodle

    zennoodle ...hmm must've misplaced my socks

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    They can still toss yoru sim card and use their's.
     
  12. maczter

    maczter Life is trying things to see if they work.

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    yep, but you won't have to worry about getting stuck paying for the airtime that way.
     
  13. Vagabond

    Vagabond Nope. OT Supporter

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    Carriers are not allowed to charge you for stolen airtime.
     
  14. turbodeuce

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    You are responsible for all airtime up until you notify the company that you have lost your phone. Then the account is suspended, so there really never is any "stolen airtime"
     
  15. wangatang

    wangatang backing it in your mom

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    CDMA "SIM" Cards are spec'd out by Quallcom. They're called RUIMs (Removable-User Identity Module). I believe they are used in S. Korea.
     
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    zennoodle ...hmm must've misplaced my socks

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    Stolen airtime? :rofl:
     
  17. Vagabond

    Vagabond Nope. OT Supporter

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    Yup, that's what it's called. Since when the customer pays the bill they're actually paying in advance for the minutes, that technically makes those minutes the customer's property.

    So if I'm useing your minutes and run up your bill, what am I doing?
     
  18. zennoodle

    zennoodle ...hmm must've misplaced my socks

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    I don't get pay in advance for the minutes I use. I pay for it after cause what if I go over my minutes? :)
     
  19. turbodeuce

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    so how is a company supposed to tell the difference between some idiot going 400 minutes over his plan and someone who lost their phone and was too stupid to suspend the service? Maybe if the calls are totally out of the ordinary, ie. an old lady who only uses 3 minutes / month suddenly uses 500, maybe they would credit out of sympathy. Has nothing to do with stolen airtime.

    Cingular and Verizon are the two companies that bill one month in advance. And even if those minutes are "your's" since you paid for them in advance, that means if someone "steals" them, that's your problem lol. Insurance is offered on handsets, not minutes.
     
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    Damn, you're not thinking at all are you?

    If your phone is stolen, wouldn't you tell the service provider?

    Take your car as an example and say it was stolen, you would tell the authorities right? Would you be held responsible for the crimes commited with it?
    Or say the engine blew up in your car, your insurance wouldn't cover the repair costs. But if it was stolen and the theif seized the engine, then the car was recoverd the insurance co would replace the engine right? Why? What's the difference? YOU were not useing it. Why would you be held liable?
     
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    Vagabond Nope. OT Supporter

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    Look at the wording on your bill. Why does it say on your billing cycle a month in advance from the actual month? And why when they have overage charges they have the PREVIOUS month instead on the advanced month? Also purchases made through the provider are shown with previous months on them. Think about it.
     
  22. turbodeuce

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    You're responsible for the charges up until you notify the company, I already said that. I've sold phones to people that lost their phone and then came into buy another one without suspending the service.

    why would you be liable? because cell phone companies don't know who is using the phone. People are shady, they lie.
     

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