Sorry this is so long. I was just thinking about this recently. (in college (university)) Back in the day I met this girl through my then girlfriend. We would talk sometimes, but that was it. Sometimes I'd go to her apartment with my gf for whatever. Me and her were both into anime, so we always said we should have an "anime night." My gf didn't like anime, and this other chick had a bf at another school, but neither of them cared if me and this girl had an anime night cuz it was strictly platonic. Years later, my gf and I broke up. For some reason I started talking to that other girl. I think we had classes in the same building or something. We started having lunch together on break, because hey, we were friends. Someone mentioned "hey, we never had anime night." Then, during our breaks between classes, sometimes we'd go to her place and watch a movie. During this movie, we would lay together and cuddle or whatever on her couch. I assumed I was a cuddle bitch (altho I was unfamiliar with ladder theory at the time). I didn't really care. She was my friend, she was fairly attractive, and I was just out of a very serious relationship so I was content with lunch/movies/cuddling. Alright, then one day for some reason my car was in the shop. She goes "why don't you just come over here and then I'll drive you to class in the morning?" I remember being all nervous and stupid, but I was like "uh, ok." So we basically hung out that night, nothing happened, and then we slept together and cuddled and shit in bed, but nothing happened. This happened 2 or 3 times. Alright, whatever, right? I didn't really care cuz I didn't really want a relationship with her. Then one night we're at a club on campus, both drinking and stuff, and I drove her and some friends home. We were dancing on each other at the club, but nothing horribly out of the ordinary. We stopped at Taco Bell on the way back (w00t) and then I went up to her apt to eat with her. Randomly out of the blue we started making out. I don't remember how it started. Somehow we then ended up in her bed. I remember asking "don't you have a bf?" She goes "yeah..." and then I remember passing out. No sexy time. So my first question is, could I have scored back when we were just sleeping together but before we made out? See, you would think that I had been friendzoned (friend ladder), but because we made out, that's obviously not the case. Had I made a move one of those nights, do you think it would have worked? We were sober. Anyway, nothing really became of it. A few years later (after we had graduated), she was on a "break" from her bf. I went out with her and a friend to some club, and we were sitting on these couches chilling, and her friend goes to the bathroom, and I looked at her and grabbed her and we made out for a bit. She was like "wow, we haven't done that in a while." Then her friend came back and we pretended like nothing happened. That night we slept in the same bed at her friend's house, but nothing happened (I wanted to bang her, but I was getting don't-bang-me-vibes from her). A week or so later we decide to FINALLY have "anime night," and she comes over to my apt and we watch some movies, make out for a little bit, go to bed, and then that's it. Again, in bed, I was getting don't-bang-me-vibes. I wanted to, but I didn't want to fvck up whatever friendship she and I had. That was really the last time we hung out, and she's back with that same guy and they're engaged now. So, OT crew, could I have gotten laid way in the beginning? What about the other times? I was nervous but I can usually tell when a chick is receptive vs. doesn't want it. btw we're still in touch (7 years later) and she helped me get a job. Does she still want my cawk? lol j/k. long ass post ftl. edit - I was just thinking about those nights we slept together but nothing happened. She was pretty much just laying there. It's been my experience that when a chick wants to bang you, she won't "just lay there." Is that wrong? Is the fact that she was in bed with me at ALL evidence that I probably would have been successful had I tried something?