GUN Cops Treat Victim Worse Than Criminals

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  1. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Maybe Vettefan is right some cops should just be shot in the face.

    Cops Treat Victim Worse Than Criminals

    Posted on 12/19/2007 3:52:08 AM PST by Revelation 911

    For 30 years they've been breaking into John O'Connor's place.

    They come in the night, when no one's around, and they steal parts and tools. Over the years, he figures, he's lost about a quarter of a million dollars.

    That's a lot of money when you're a mechanic making a living fixing people's cars and fishing usable parts out of a scrap yard.

    It's an awful lot of money.

    And it's an awful lot of lawlessness.

    John lives and does business in the hamlet of Honeoye, in the town of Richmond, in Ontario County, New York. It's a small place, out in the hills, a long way from the sheriff's office in the county seat. And it's a long way from any kind of law enforcement when the bad guys come in the dark of the night.

    Which is why all those businesses down that way have a shotgun behind the counter. And it's why at Thanksgiving time when he got a call from the alarm company one midnight he brought a 12-gauge along just in case.

    That was a dusey of a night.

    A night that may destroy John O'Connor's life.

    He got the call from the alarm company when he was sound asleep and quickly dressed and grabbed his gun and drove down to the shop. It's kind of scary, in a way. Darkened garage, creepy junk yard, the uncertainty of who is lurking in the shadows.

    And all of a sudden a young man sprinted by him.

    John O'Connor had been looking for tracks in the snow and mud and, as he searched, the alarm company called his cell to report that the intruder alert had gone off not once, but twice, since he entered the garage. There had been a crook on the property, and he was still there, and John O'Connor had no idea where.

    It would be terrifying, in a way, not knowing who was there, what their intentions were, whether or not they were armed.

    Then, without warning, that young man blew past John O'Connor at a dead sprint. Just running for all he was worth.

    And John O'Connor told the dispatcher.

    He'd been on 9-1-1 from the start, calling for the deputies to come, and he was giving the dispatcher a play-by-play. He told the operator that the blurred man had passed and disappeared.

    Then John O'Connor saw the car.

    A car, with its lights off, trolling in front of his business. Not 5 m.p.h. It drove in front of the business once, then back again, then it took one more lap and pulled over, silent and dark.

    Which John O'Connor reported to the dispather.

    Hiding behind some brush, watching for the guy who had almost knocked him down, keeping an eye on the getaway car, relaying it all to the authorities.

    But they didn't seem to care much.

    The dispatcher was more interested in the gun, the big 12-gauge John had in his hands. The dispatcher wanted the gun put away, that's all John can remember the conversation focusing on. Put the gun away and the deputies will come. But he figured he wasn't putting the gun down until the deputies got there to keep things safe. Until then it was him alone against the night.

    That's what he explained as he hunkered behind a bush, watching the getaway car, knowing he had to act soon.

    So he stood up.

    He stood up and he shouted to whoever was in the car to get out. Right now. Get out of that car. But that's not what happened. Instead, the driver gunned the car and came straight at John O'Connor. It didn't appear that he was trying to run him down, but he was trying to get away. And as the car sped past John, its left front tire passing just over a foot away, he fired the gun.

    Not at the guy, not into the windshield, not where it could hit anyone.

    But he uncorked that big 12-gauge into the tire. As the bad guy tried to get away, John O'Connor bunged up his tire big time.

    And he told the 9-1-1 dispatcher which way he had gone, and on what road to look for a car with a flat tire.

    And, lo and behold, responding deputies found an abandoned car with a flat tire.

    Eventually they found the two suspected robbers. But that night all it was was three hours of paperwork and a dog sniffing for a trail. When the deputies and investigators finally left, the only thing that had been taken into custody was John O'Connor's gun. But ultimately the bad guys were located and charged with misdemeanors.

    And a few days later, summoned to the sheriff's office on a pretense, John O'Connor was arrested. Mug shot, finger prints, booking. The whole enchilada. He was charged with a felony count of using deadly force. He could go to the state prison.

    Thirty years in business, paying his taxes, never a problem with the law his entire life, military veteran. John O'Connor is one of the good guys. One of the people who holds a town together. In fact, he's on the town board, elected by his neighbors.

    And tonight he'll be a common criminal, in the dock, in one of the first steps of a criminal prosecution.

    Because he shot the gun.

    A man whose property has been repeatedly savaged, whose livelihood has been threatened, who can't get any help from the deputies, that man. Trying to convince a fleeing criminal to desist and to wait for the police, he pulls a trigger and potentially throws away his life.

    Which is preposterous. The sheriff's department should be ashamed for charging this man. The district attorney should have thrown it out long ago.

    But they are going to claim that he used deadly force without justification.

    And, in that, they are going to be completely wrong. There was no use of deadly force here. The intent of John O'Connor was not to take anyone's life, it was to stop a fleeing crook. The discharge of the firearm was in no way dangerous to anyone. It was meant to shoot out a tire, which was safely achieved.

    At worst, this is a criminal mischief, an act of destruction against an automobile. Had there been any intent whatsoever to use the gun to injure anyone, the guy behind the wheel would have blown gray matter all over he inside of the car.

    The proof that there was no threat to anyone's safety is the fact that no one's safety was endangered. Everyone went home without a scratch.

    The disgusting irony, however, is that the bad guys got charged with misdemeanors and the good guy got charged with a felony. A man called the police for help and they got it backwards, they arrested the victim, not the crooks.

    And tonight he goes to court. Hopefully the district attorney will drop the charges. If not, hopefully a grand jury will take up the matter and common people with common sense will throw the travesty out of court.

    Because John O'Connor is not a bad guy.

    And what he did was not wrong.

    And it's a pretty sad state of affairs when the cops crucify the people they're supposed to be protecting.

    - by Bob Lonsberry © 2007
     
  2. P07r0457

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    After having a vehicle stolen, my home broken into, and a vehicle broken into all on seperate incidents, I have learned that cops are WORTHLESS.

    If push comes to shove, *I* will take care of the situation.
     
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    Wow, whoever decided to charge HIM for a crime is an idiot! :ugh:
     
  4. Yuppy

    Yuppy Have a seat right there....

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    yea then he could have said the old south park line


    'its coming right at us!'
     
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    wow i cant see a jury finding him guilty
     
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    Damn wow :(
     
  7. Sardaukar

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    Disgraceful.
     
  8. kellyclan

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    That's New California...I mean, New England for you.

    If he'd shot them, they'd be saying he should have tried to shoot the tires out.
     
  9. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    That was a great article for such a shitty situation.
     
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    It's cuz cops want only cops to have guns.
     
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    jesus, even in CA that guy wouldn't have been arrested most likely.
     
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    Sounds about spot on.
     
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    There are plenty of good cops and plenty of bad ones. :o

    DA should have thrown that crap out a long time ago. I know for a fact I wouldn't have arrested him. :o
     
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    Then this whole cop-hate thing would be academic.
     
  15. Werm

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    He shouldn't have called the tops... should have shot them and placed a sharp object in there hand as if they were coming twords him.
     
  16. TL1000RSquid

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    Well its not really the cops fault.. The DA should be strung up in front of the court house though :o
     
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    A car can be a deadly weapon :naughty;
     
  18. Werm

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    For the most part I agree... with all the cops I've meet. It's pretty sad I can outshoot a cop... at the same time that cop thinks guns are only safe in cop hands :rolleyes:

    Right... because cops are the model for upright citizens. We NEVER hear about cops accidently shooting there wife *cough* or misusing there power.
     
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    His first mistake was giving a play by play to the dispatcher.

    His second mistake was shooting the tire instead of the driver.

    His third mistake was trusting the justice system to do the right thing.
     
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    You'd think he'd learn after 30 yearso f them doing nothing they can't be trusted :rofl:
     
  21. Jumpem

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    I was going to post this. My parents live in that county. NY (even upstate) is not gun friendly in the least. You are even looking at being charged if you shoot someone coming into your house without trying to retreat first.
     
  22. Sardaukar

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    No Castle Doctrine?
     
  23. nametaken158

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    Disgusting
     
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    Delaware just recently (within the past few years, I believe) changed their laws to eliminate the duty to retreat from your own residence.

    But, they still won't adopt a castle doctrine. You're still required to wait until the intruder acts in a way to cause you to fear immediate serious physical injury and/or death of yourself or others....the act of forcefully breaking into your house isn't considered enough....before you can employ deadly force. :hsugh:
     
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    From what I have heard you have to make every effort to escape from your home, and only engage an intruder if you have nowhere left to retreat too.
     

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