GUN Cops go easy on concealed handgun license holders?

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  1. SpicyMcVoodoo

    SpicyMcVoodoo New Member

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    The instructor in my CHL class said that officially, cops won't go easy on you for having a CHL, but in reality, "98-99%" of the time they will cut you slack in a traffic stop. He says this is because cops can depend on CHL holders for backup if they get into a bad situation.

    This is the first I've heard of this. Truth?
     
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    Possibly where you are, but all of the officers I've talked to have never had to invoke Posse Comitatus, and I can't see them wanting some citizen bringing another gun into the situation.
     
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    Like lobstradomus said perhaps if you live in a conservative rural area, wont help you any here in NY.
     
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    Posse Comitatus?

    Anyway, that's what I originally thought too, which is why I'm skeptical...I'd think cops get nervous and don't appreciate it whenever someone, anyone, has a gun, if for no other reason than it puts them on edge. :dunno:

    But then again, there was even a question on the written exam about cops cutting slack to CHL holders, so apparently the belief is wide spread. :hsugh:
     
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    The guy who said this lives in a metropolitain area of Houston.
     
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    Posse Comitatus is common law that requires any male aged 18+ who isnt in the military, or physically disabled to come to the aid of a peace officer if he requests it. There may be more restrictions to it, I'm just reciting what I remember about it. I would look at the instructors experience before taking him too seriously, was he even a police officer at one time?
     
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    I don't think its about backup, thats just a gun store commando cop-wannabe guy's fantasy. I think any slack you get is because a concealed carry holder is one of the few people that carries a card that says they're probably a pretty decent person, at least as far as trouble with the law goes. Certified ok if you will.
     
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    :werd:

    A cop doesn't know how well a CHL holder can even handle his weapon much less wanting him to coming in for backup... You're probably more likely to get shot if you see uniformed police in a gunfight and you come running up with a firearm in street clothes.
     
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    They end up getting shot by uniformed officers too
     
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    It depends on what you do. Having a CCW doesn't necessarily mean you will be getting out of what you got into.
     
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    You took your class at Top Gun didn't you? From a cop who wears glasses, has a silvery/white beard, and tells people "If you have a malfunction, the FIRST thing you should do is drop the magazine" :squint: Because that quote sounds very familiar.

    I don't like him.
     
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    dropping the mag drops the food source :hsugh:
     
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    No, it wasn't at top gun.
     
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    I was thinking about this...the liklihood of getting shot by the police when using your CHL, period. I came to the conclusion that if you're a well dressed white guy and the guy you're pointing a gun at is a minority, the police will probably assume you're a CHL holder using your gun on a criminal, but if you are dressed like a bum, you're not white, or the guy you're pointing the gun at is a well dressed white guy, then you increase the odds of getting shot. :hs:
     
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    I couldn't care less if what color you are, what you're wearing, or what you look like. Someone with a gun will get put down the same as anyone else.
     
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    :bsflag: You're seriously saying, especially in the South, that the average cop will perceive the same threat level form a well dressed white guy with a gun vs. a ghetto dressed black guy with a gun?! Mind you, I'm not talking about pointing a gun AT the cop...of course the cop would consider all those threats the same...I'm talking about a cop pulling up on a situation and sees a white guy vs. a black guy pointing the gun at someone else AND the person held at gunpoint is well dressed white guy vs. ghetto minority.

    I know it sounds racist, but let's face reality...
     
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    racist
     
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    the world is a better place with people like you to shoot other people so unselectively.
     
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    What the....?


    That's not what Posse Comitatus is. PC's concept is that the military can not be used as regular law enforcement in the US, nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    louisiana state legislature says it is somthing more, something less, depending on how you view it.

    http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=89244
     
  21. Ichabod Crane

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    Posse Comitatus, as law, applies to the military :uh:

    And having a CCW doesn't make you a cop. You're a fucking idiot if you draw a weapon when the police are around and/or when they have their weapons drawn already.
     
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    The why is it in the CA Penal Code? Title 7, Chapter 7, Section 150:

    Every able-bodied person above 18 years of age who neglects or
    refuses to join the posse comitatus or power of the county, by
    neglecting or refusing to aid and assist in taking or arresting any
    person against whom there may be issued any process, or by neglecting
    to aid and assist in retaking any person who, after being arrested
    or confined, may have escaped from arrest or imprisonment, or by
    neglecting or refusing to aid and assist in preventing any breach of
    the peace, or the commission of any criminal offense, being thereto
    lawfully required by any uniformed peace officer, or by any peace
    officer described in Section 830.1, subdivision (a), (b), (c), (d),
    (e), or (f) of Section 830.2, or subdivision (a) of Section 830.33,
    who identifies himself or herself with a badge or identification card
    issued by the officer's employing agency, or by any judge, is
    punishable by a fine of not less than fifty dollars ($50) nor more
    than one thousand dollars ($1,000).
     
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    That's why I quoted a federal law?
     
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    Go to the forums at www.packing.org and then go into the forum which says "Experiences with Law Enforcement" or something like that, there's literally thousands of accounts of people being pulled over during a traffic stop while carrying cocealed, etc. etc. etc. you'll learn a lot and see how others handled it.
     

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