Computer building advice?

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  1. Scream_Phoenix

    Scream_Phoenix Handsome Boy Model

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    im building a new computer, this will be the first one ive put together myself, and i have a couple of questions :)

    the system will be:

    amd a64 939 3000+/3200+
    MSI neo2 platinum
    6600gt
    1gb kingston hyper x pc3500 433mhz
    antech sonata w/ truepower 380w or 3700BQE with smartpower 350w
    hdd and drives from my old machine

    is it worth upgrading from a a64 3000+ to a 3200+ if im going to be overclocking? i read on anandtech that they both top out around the same. (with air cooling anyway)

    i also need some advice on ram? this is where im buying from the hyper x was reccommended by a friend. is it a good choice? i did a lot of reading but i still get confused with ram, im trying to order by tomorrow because they have free shipping until then. thanks a lot :hs:


    edit: oh yeah, for the case im waiting to hear back from the retailer to see if they will let me upgrade the BQE3700 to a truepower 430 at a reasonable price, if not, i think i will just go with the sonata.
     
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    luvmylegend Wut?

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    I'm basically looking at building the same system. I would like to know as well.
     
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    NO on the hyperx. Get corsair XMS if you want high-end ram. otherwise it's looking pretty good. That case looks okay, but it's a bitch to build. very small inside. I think the 3200+ is a better buy... but I wouldn't trust anyone about what you can(not) get out of an oc'd chip. the 3000 and 3200 are manufactured to the same specs, so it may have a similar top-frequency, but I've seen chips that can't get 20MHz more out of them. Never buy a chip expecting anything over stock clocks.

    what drives do you have from your old box? Because that's the biggest bottleneck right now. do not expect to throw any ata66/100 drive in there and have it be fast -- it will not. SATA or bust. Also, even if you use your old drives, you MUST re-install windows. No way around that.
     
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    imo, depending on how many HD's and optical drives you are going to have, i would spring for a minimum 400W source
     
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    wattage means nothing. I've seen a 350W sparkle that can handle more than a 550W antec...

    imo, I'd look at another case and a sparkle/fortron/enermax psu... But he's *fine* with the sonata.
     
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    i dont neccesarily need the best ram, but i do want it to be good. im looking for 1gb and around CAD$300-325 or so...

    drives comoing over will be a liteon 40x burner and a 160 WD hdd. the reason im not ordering a hdd right now id because im waiting for a good deal on an sata drive. within the next couple of months, there will be a total of 2 hdd and a cdrw plus a dvdrw. im going to format my OS partition before moving everything over. ncix hasnt answered my email about upgrading the psu tho yet

    from what ive read so far, it seems pretty typical to get decent jumps out of 939 a64s, but i understand what you mean about expectations. i will probably go with a 3200, because its only about 30$cad more.
     
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    id always heard good things about antec supplies and cases. i want one thats reasonable quiet. my budget for case and psu is CAD$150 max. could i manage with a 380 or should i try to jump to a 430
     
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    yeah, i'd go with the 3200. I've built several 3000/3200/3400/3500 systems, and they all got a good jump except for one that I couldn't get any extra out of. Never buy a cheaper chip expecting it to get you better performance -- that said, oc it to see what you can get, and consider it icing on the cake. For example, my 3.4GHz P4 550 is very happy at 3.8GHz. I bought it expecting and telling myself only to require 3.4 out of it, but I'm happy that it does 3.8GHz. I imagine you will feel the same with your chip.

    You didn't mention anything about heatsink? I would recommend the Zalman CNPS-7000A-Cu. Very quiet, and a must if you wanna overclock, imo.
     
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    yep, i hadnt decided on a heatsink yet. i was going to get the system up and running stock, then see what kind of temps it has with the increases. i appreciate the reccomendation :cool:
     
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    I sell them, and I refuse to order any more antec psus. absolute crap, they are. I'll still stock their cases, but their psu's are nothing more than junk. Of course, I think that pretty much every psu that comes with a case is junk (well, they usually are). Notable expections are a few ugly cases that come with smaller sparkle psu's.

    Honestly, I'd go for a high-end quiet case (such as the Lian Li 6070B) and a nice PSU, such as an Enermax Whisper/Noisetaker. But then that'll blow the top on your budget really easily.

    If you have to stay under $150CAD, then you're not gonna find too much that would meet my standards. But for the $100US that it costs, the sonata is a good deal. Get it, and stick with the stock psu... My only gripe is that it's a rather expensive case to me (especially since it's small, cramped, not especially quiet -- although more quiet than most -- and I'd just throw away the psu)
     
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    although I'd recommend a Silverstone TJ-04. Usually costs around $95 USD. Over your budget, but you may wanna consider it.
     
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    thats a pretty nice case. i think im still going with the sonata tho, unless someone can suggest a fairly well made/fairly quiet case?

    do you have any links for the sparkle and how it compares with the higher watt systems? im definately getting a little unsure about the antech psus... some people rave about them but there are a lot of people who seem to get flakey supplies :dunno: probly not worth risking. hardforums have a lot of pcp&c fans but i havent even seen them in canada... i imagine they fairly pricey

    i bumped my budget for ram and am going with OCZ 3200 plat rev2. :o
     
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    pcp&c is *expensive* Fortron has some nice psus in the $60 range.
     
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    yeah i found their pricing page :eek3: i think what im going to do is go with the antec case and get my system going. in a paycheck or two, when i get a dvdrw, hdd and some more cooling, ill will upgrade the psu. there is hardly anyone in canada that sells fortron/sparkle, and the ones i found are 350w, id like to go a little higher. im going to track one down, or send one to my sisters boyfriend in WA and have him bring it up to me.

    thanks for the advice btw :)
     
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    Corsair RAM is the only RAM i will use, it is well worth the money!
     
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    so, my shopping cart is:


    Del Item Description In Stock Part # QTY Price Ext. Price
    AMD ATHLON 64 3200+ PROCESSOR S939 2.0GHZ 512KB L2 CACHE RETAIL BOX
    In Stock 12843 $258.67 $258.67
    MSI K8N NEO2 PLATINUM NFORCE3 ULTRA S939 AGP 5PCI SATA 1394 SOUND 1000LAN MOTHERBOARD
    In Stock 12534 $188.10 $188.10
    UBSIOFT FAR CRY - CD ONLY - *BUNDLE WITH AMD ATHLON 64 CPU & MOTHERBOARD ONLY*
    Backorder 12110 $0.00 $0.00
    OCZ DUAL CHANNEL OPTIMIZED PLATINUM 2X512MB DDR PC3200 HEAT SPREADER REV.2 CL 2-2-2-5
    In Stock 12961 $388.50 $388.50
    ANTEC SONATA QUIET CHASSIS ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5 PIANO BLACK 380W TRUEPOWER
    In Stock 9479 $138.30 $138.30
    Price Match request for the above item
    Competitor's price: $128.52, source url: http://canadacomputers.com/cases.html#cas


    Shipping and final tax calculation will be calculated at checkout
    ALL PRICES QUOTED IN CANADIAN FUNDS $969.78
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    i have a couple of other pricematches to do, so i should be getting about another 75$ back :hs: 6600gt is on the way from another company :coold:
     
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    if you can buy from newegg, they've got sparkle and fortrons for cheap. A 500W fortron is around $70. otherwise, the system is looking good.
     
  20. Diet Gravy

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    I built my own system with an Antec Aria case, an MSI micro ATX motherboard, a Sempron CPU, a SATA hard drive, an MSI SATA CD-RW (mistake! avoid! see my other thread), and a 512MB stick of RAM... very cheap, pretty quiet, and aside from the MSI CD-RW problems it's been a great system. It blows away anything you could buy five years ago - since it's replacing a five year old system I'm pretty happy :)
     
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    im replacing a 4 yo p3 600e :o i ordered last night. its going to feel good, i should recieve the parts right after i finish exams :big grin:
     

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