GUN Colt M16 takeout bolt + carrier from CDNN

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  1. Jefferson Darcy

    Jefferson Darcy Ol' shit chest

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    http://www.cdnninvestments.com/

    they still have a few in stock. $119.95 +$10 s/h

    for anyone who is buidling an AR... or will be in teh future. I bought one the other day.

    Colt M16 carriers and bolts are VERY hard to find at that price. SAW sells the same thing for $280.....

    and YES, M16 carriers are legal in semi-auto AR's. tehy are also more reliable than the standard AR carriers or the stupid colt half moon carriers.
     
  2. Goat

    Goat That crack is really moreish

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    They're already out of stock :hs:
     
  3. Fook Yoo

    Fook Yoo OT Supporter

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    they forget to update their stuff online allot of times.i find it many times if you call in it's most likely in stock.
     
  4. Jefferson Darcy

    Jefferson Darcy Ol' shit chest

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    yea dont go by what the site says.

    It said they were out of stock when I ordered it a couple days ago. As of today someone on ARFCOM said there were 16 left....
     
  5. Fook Yoo

    Fook Yoo OT Supporter

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    got to admit its a good deal.i was going to order one however i already have a spare set of bolt/carrier or else ill jump on it
     
  6. footratfunkface

    footratfunkface New Member

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    i need one for my midlength i'm building. i guess i'd better jump on that. damn i want my midlength.

    anyone else get in on the arfcom 16" 1/7 midlength group buy?
     
  7. RealFastV6

    RealFastV6 OMFGh4x0rzZ!!111

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    Can you back this up with anything more then "well this guy said"?

    The reason I ask is because I've seen PLENTY of conflicting info on this, and not a single letter from the gAyTF.
     
  8. Painkiller

    Painkiller The Synarchy of Molten Bones

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    It's legal.
     
  9. blkgs4

    blkgs4 New Member

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    Its legal for multiply reasons, now a auto connector isn't legal without paperwork :naughty:
    Also if you're that intent on not taking someone else's word on it, its as simple as spending 37 cents on a stamp and mailing them a letter yourself. Its what I do when I'm curious about something and can't find the correct information anywhere. Why trust someone else with your future when you can merely mail a letter to the tech branch.
     
  10. SS109

    SS109 3100 FPS OT Supporter

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    I have questions about the legality of this too.
    For you people with older AR's, like SP1's, you should check that you have the right parts.
     
  11. RealFastV6

    RealFastV6 OMFGh4x0rzZ!!111

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    :rolleyes:
     
  12. RealFastV6

    RealFastV6 OMFGh4x0rzZ!!111

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    DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
    BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
    WASHINGTON, DC 20226

    MAR 29 2000

    903050:GKD
    3311

    Dear Mr. :

    This refers to your letter of January 22, 1999, requesting
    information on the legality of possessing a registered full auto
    AR15 and also possessing one or more semiautomatic pre-1994
    assembled AR15 rifles. You appended a number of specific questions
    relating to this subject which will be answered in the order
    received.

    1. Is it legal to own both?

    There are no provisions under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) or
    the National Firearms Act (NFA) that prevent an individual from
    possessing an AR15 registered machinegun and one or more
    semiautomatic AR15 rifles at the same time.

    2. If legal to own both, which spare parts for the registered gun
    can you also own?

    Any weapon which shoots automatically more than one shot, without
    manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger meets the
    definition of a machinegun in section 5845(b) of the NFA. An AR15
    rifle which is assembled with certain M16 machinegun fire control
    components, and which is capable of shooting automatically is a
    machinegun as defined.

    The definition of a machinegun in section 5845(b) also includes any
    combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if
    such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
    Thus, an AR15 rifle possessed with separate M16 machinegun
    components can meet the definition of a machinegun, if the rifle
    shoots automatically when the components are installed.

    The fact that a person lawfully possesses a registered NFA firearm
    does not grant authorization to possess additional non-registered
    firearms. A person who possesses a registered M16 machinegun and
    a semiautomatic AR15 and a separate quantity of M16 machinegun
    components could be in possession of two machineguns.

    We advise any person who possesses an AR15 rifle not to possess M16
    fire control components (trigger, hammer, disconnector, selector,
    and bolt carrier).
    If a person possessed only the M16 machinegun
    and spare M16 fire control components for that machinegun, the
    person would possess only one machinegun.

    3. Is it legal to use the upper receiver off of the semi-auto AR's
    on the registered AR if they are different lengths and calibers
    than listed on the Form 4's?

    Before changing the caliber of a registered machinegun you should
    notify the NFA Branch in writing of the proposed change.

    4. Can you have several short barrel uppers (less than 16 inches)
    for the registered AR and still own semi-auto AR's?

    The definition of a firearm in section 5845 of the NFA includes a
    rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
    An individual possessing more than one short (less than 16 inches)
    barreled upper receiver for a registered AR15 machinegun along with
    one or more semiautomatic AR15 rifles would have under their
    possession of control an unregistered short barreled rifle, a
    violation of the NFA.

    5. If you change the barrel length or caliber do I need to notify
    your office if the change is not a permanent one?

    This question was answered under Question 3.

    We trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry.
    If we can be of any further assistance, please contact us.


    Sincerely yours,


    [signed]
    Edward M. Owen, Jr.
    Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
     
  13. footratfunkface

    footratfunkface New Member

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    It is legal. what about it would make it illegal? the firearm cannot fire more than one shot per trigger squeeze, and there are not enough parts present to convert it to an auto. but hell, i don't care if you believe me. in fact, don't, because the next time these bolts come around, that means more for me.
     
  14. RealFastV6

    RealFastV6 OMFGh4x0rzZ!!111

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    Sounds like it's "not recommended", but I'm sure it'd be a cold day in hell before they could convict you for it.
     
  15. RealFastV6

    RealFastV6 OMFGh4x0rzZ!!111

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    It's not about believing you.

    It's about FACT.
     
  16. footratfunkface

    footratfunkface New Member

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    No. The reason it's legal is that you're using a bolt and carrier from an M16. These are two of the several parts necessary to make a machine gun. If you had the ENTIRE fire control group from an M16, you'd be in trouble. That would be intent to construct. You can't possibly intend to construct a machine gun with two parts, though, which is why it's legal. The letter recommends that you not possess ALL of the fire control components at one time.
     
  17. Jefferson Darcy

    Jefferson Darcy Ol' shit chest

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    exactly.

    legally, a weapon or a combination of parts that makes a weapon, that fires more than one shot per trigger pull is a machine gun. Unless registered prior to 1986, its illegal.

    ATF reccommends against having any M16 parts in your rifle because with a certain combination (trigger, selector, disconnector) you can have a weapon that will go into the auto position, and possibly fire more than one shot per trigger pull, slam fire style (hammer riding the bolt into battery... NOT true full auto operation, unreliable and dangerous.... but could get you in trouble). of course, the same thing is possible with NO m16 parts, just a broken disconnector in an AR-15 FCG.

    without the ENTIRE m16 FCG includng either a standard M16 auto sear and a reciever that can accept it (which means an M16 reciever or an AR reciever milled to M16 specs and a hole for the auto sear pin drilled) OR a drop in auto sear, you cannot achieve actuall full auto operation. a DIAS is considered a machine gun in and of itself (if manufatured after 1981), as is a reciever milled and drilled to accept a standard autosear.

    (there is something else called a lightening link that allows full auto fire ONLY with a standard AR15 FCG.... its legally a MG just liek a DIAS).

    basically the deal with M16 bolt carriers is this: without a complete M16 FCG and either a DIAS or standard autosear, there is no way it can make the rifle fire more than one shot. it is supposed to be more reliable than an AR carrier because of the increased mass (and its the original design.... AR bolt carriers are just M16 carriers modified so they cant trip a sear).
     
  18. Jefferson Darcy

    Jefferson Darcy Ol' shit chest

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    entire M16 FCG AND a drop in auto sear or standard auto sear AND reciever milled and drilled to accept it would be posession of a MG (actually a DIAS in and of itself is a MG and so is a milled and drilled lower).

    possession of a M16 FCG and an AR NOT drilled and milled, and without a DIAS is not illegal. Its not reccommended to have it because of the possiblity of firing more than one shot slam fire style (not true full auto but if the wanted to they could use it to screw you).
     
  19. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    Nope, i missed out. With luck, another will come along, or someone will sell theirs. :x: Get a M2 for my 14.5 and throw the EOTech onto a 16" with a Larue 9.0 and some LMT irons...:drool:
     
  20. Jefferson Darcy

    Jefferson Darcy Ol' shit chest

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    wait for the M3 :cool:



    if you dont have an LMT BUIS already I am probably selling mine because with the Eotech and Larue mount I need a troy BUIS, the LMT is too big. let me know if you want it.
     

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