MIL college grad's dilemma - officer vs enlisted man

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  1. dumbaznboy

    dumbaznboy New Member

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    Ive posted on a few other threads here about joining up as an officer...

    however, after doing some reading, and talking to those currently serving... i DO have a question.

    would enlisting into the army as a E-4 (specialist/corporal) be that bad of a decision?

    the reason i ask is because Im not totally sure if im going to make this a career, and to be honest if i DO, i would rather not put up with the politics that come with being an officer. Also, if i did decide to go career, i would like to try my hand at the Rangers and/or SF. and from I've gleaned off of the Army website, the only soldiers that are out on the field as a Medic (which is what I would like to do) are Sgt's. [please correct me if i am wrong]

    but yes, i understand that I would be losing out on some money, but to be honest, if i wanted money, I wouldnt be joining the military, I'd put my two degrees to work...

    thanks in advance gentlemen/women
     
  2. seven

    seven New Member

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    i'd say officer if you want to be a family man, othrwise if you think enlisted is what you want to do, go for it. You can always become an officer later if you feel like it.

    also why'd you get two degree's if you wer'nt intending on using them?
     
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    Drunk Bastard Audio New Member

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    Enlisting vice going the officer route isn't bad...like you said, it's all on what you plan on getting out of the military. Personally, I would go officer right from the start if you have the opportunity, since you can do your initial 3 year hitch and then get out as a 1LT/CPT w/ alot more job potential then say a SGT.

    Just my .02
     
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    ManinCamo I wear big boy pants.

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    Officer side is all politics, decision making, and sitting in meetings, unless your in the field and leading combat troops.
     
  5. dumbaznboy

    dumbaznboy New Member

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    sev...

    i got two degrees for a couple of reasons...i like to learn, and they both (exercise science and econ) are soemthing i enjoy learning/studying.

    however, i'm tired of school, and would like to take a break and see the world (and serve my country at the same time).

    as for the officer vs enlisted topic, would you guys say that the only way I would be out in the field as an officer would be as an Infantry Officer? how likely would it be for me to be out on the field as an Officer in the Medical Services MOS?

    D.B.A - thats the main issue i have with going the enlisted route - I want to be able to get the most out of my military service (whether I make it a career or not) and being a Sgt doesnt seem to bring any sort of merit that being a 2ndLt/1stLt/Capt seems to bring to the corporate world.
     
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    dumbaznboy New Member

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    also, Seven, how difficult would it be for me to decide I want to become an officer after enlisting? (seeing how i have a college background, that should help me alot, should it not?)
     
  7. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    Warrant > Officer
     
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    NisAznMonk New Member

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    What exactly is a Warrant officer?
     
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    hey thanks for the info eyob...still kinda unclear as to what a warrant officer really is/does, but im in a rush, so ill look into it more later.

    ranger - is the application process the same for warrant officers as officers? or do i have to enlist first and then apply to become a warrant officer?
     
  10. hooahrcr

    hooahrcr Chris_Hearn

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    Officers do not lead or train soldiers, NCO's do that's our job.
    but if it's only a 3 year thing for you, be an officer, and learn power point
     
  11. Ranger-AO

    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    brackac just went through the process, so he might be able to give you some pointers. It isn't the same as becoming an officer.
     
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    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    They pull from civilians as well.
     
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    i say unless you specifically want to do hands on work generally with equipment that is 20-30 years out of date (and youll notice)

    go officer
     
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    Ranger-AO I'm here for the Taliban party. Moderator

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    Only from the conservative pool, though. :hsugh:
     
  15. dumbaznboy

    dumbaznboy New Member

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    sigh...oh the options, the options.

    if i only KNEW what i wanted to do for the rest of my life...

    right now...main priority would be getting into shape to pass the PFT. (i still have a year and change until im officially done with college).
     
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    dumbaznboy New Member

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    so what exactly do officers do then? I thought that out in the field the officers led, and the NCO's made sure they dont F-up. and as for powerpoint...i know it already (good thing im asian...heh:wiggle:)
     
  17. kidhero

    kidhero not really a hero, really just a big fat phony

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    my advice:

    join the air force. pick a tech job. pick a far off place to go to like korea or germany and live your life up without a need to ever think for 2 or 3 years.

    once you're out get an MBA and go from there.

    if i had to it all over again, that's what i would have done.
     
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    dumbaznboy New Member

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    kidhero...

    as good advice that may be...i dont think id ever enjoy doing that (and if i dont enjoy something...its guna be a draaaaaaaag).

    thus my decision to exclude the AF or Navy.

    but that MBA thing is something i would like to persue...would being a officer help in that regard?
     
  19. dubrocker

    dubrocker sho nuff

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    air force. tuition assistance, mgi bill, easy work. go to school for free while serving, get out and finish school with mgib.

    you will probably enjoy yourself the most over seas in the air force. living in the mud isn't fun for that long.
     
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    dumbaznboy New Member

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    i understand that...and i appreciate your guys' help. however, i'm going to finish school prior to joining. and I want to do something physically challenging...im not one who likes to sit in a cubicle all day, theres time for that later on in life
     
  21. kidhero

    kidhero not really a hero, really just a big fat phony

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    it's the best advice you're going to get from a chinese kid with a college degree applying for MBA programs next year while still in the military


    the officer part won't overwhelmingly help you. there were military officers before you and there will be military officers after you. there are even officers who have done way more you will ever accomplish in your life. it's not going to help you. i say that because that's what i realized being in the military is like. i can never do enough because someone out there is having it worse than i do.
     
  22. kidhero

    kidhero not really a hero, really just a big fat phony

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    that gets old.

    i want to be a marine and now i'm bired.

    i became a cop for a year because i was restless. that was boring.

    i'm trying to become a paramedic but that's going to make me focused long enough.

    i went to college. i want to be an MBA.

    i sat in an office working in a tech startup in silicon valley and that's still not enough.

    the military isn't a pill to make you feel happier or better. peoples' lives depends on the military system. especially as an officer. if you want something fulfilling join the peace corps. it will give you less headaches.
     
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    very well said
    i think many people come into the service not looking at it this way.
    in the end you have to know exactly what you want and go after it.
     
  24. dumbaznboy

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    i KNOW the military isnt a happy pill, but it IS something i want to do. And being in the air force ISNT what I want to do. the reason why I've decided on the army or marines, is becuase it is branch I would like to get into.
     
  25. kidhero

    kidhero not really a hero, really just a big fat phony

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    if you don't care about the money or the bullshit then the marines. the only benefit you get is the fact that you're a marine, but it's worth it.
     

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