As per Grouch I went down to the local fitness equipement supplier store to test out the COC 3...since the RB180 was tougher than the 2 I wanted to try the 3 well, I went this morning, I hadn't had anything to eat when I did my cardio for the day and then I went tanning...applied the tanning lotion and my hands were slippery so, I still decided to test her out. Well I grabbed the Trainer..had the T on the bottom and I crunked that out nicely to "warm up" then I grabbed the 2 and squeezed 2 just for kicks...then I was ready for the 3 I squeezed, no close. I got it about a half inch before my palm started to slip the handle...either way I wasn't getting it any closer. So, I let up...whipped my hands off...went at it again...no close. Didn't get any closer at all... So, with all that crap on my hands and the fact that I crunked the hell out of the RB180 last night I had no sauce left in either of my hands. So...I bought the 3 and I will rest up and attempt it again. I think I can get it.