Discussion in 'Lifestyle' started by skreid, Oct 3, 2008.
Palin did horrible, and I personally wouldn't vote for mcain
But I wouldn't vote for obama, because I disagree on some levels, plus there degree if democracy seems like its leading towards socialism on some levels
She didn't even answer the questions...
she straight up said "I might not give you the answer you want to hear" which means "im gonna spew bullshit at you so I sound intelligent"
Actually, no she didn't. She did quite well, and a hell of a lot better than most people expected based upon on her previous interviews with the media.
Who am I voting for? Well, my vote was sliding towards Obama early on. After Biden's comments regarding gay relationships and same sex unions, the Obama camp got my solid vote.
thanks to the boot camp she's been at since tuesday?
Dammit why can't Sexy Sara have been a democrat! With all the fuss she's raised if she could have gotten Barack the vote secured fo sho!
Obama no question. Palin just makes me laugh.
And where do you think Biden has been all week? La La Land?
Mccain. Better for small business.
Gay rights - same stance on both sides, state decision
politicAL converstations will end in nothing but wars about oil, cearael and wonton soup!!!!
im drunk BTW. nader for 2008!!!!! w00t
i will be joining you in this drunken voyage tomorrow night.
well lets see if this thread goes the way of all the others
people say who they will vote for and why
then the people that dont agree will argue those points saying they are wrong
then those that got singled out will come back with a retort
and when its all said and done... not a single mind will be changed
and im not giving any reasons so they cant be argued
They may be exactly the same, although I have my doubts, but Biden and Obama have stated their position on the subject much more to my liking than McCain and Palin.
I didn't exactly care for McCain's response when Ellen Degeneres asked him about his feelings regarding gay marriage and/or same sex benefits. I believe it was strictly about gay marriage, but not sure. Regardless, his response was "we'll just have to agree to disagree" and that was that.
In the past, when he has been asked about gay rights, his responses have been very cryptic and conservative at best.
So if you can show me documented proof that both the Obama and McCain camps have the exact same view/position on gay marriage AND gay rights, then I'll be happy to concede. Otherwise, I'm going to stick to my opinion that McCain's views are too conservative for my own when it comes to the topic of gay marriage and gay rights.
Also, there is no guarantee that once someone gets in office, they're going to stick to what they said during their campaign. I'm more willing to take my chances with Obama/Biden than I am with McCain/Palin.
After all the economic fallout over the last 2-3 weeks, you'd have to be retarded to vote for McCain. He's the biggest champion of the completely unregulated "free market," which is just code for letting large corporations walk all over us.
He's all for deregulation, a la current wall street crisis.
He's doesnt support timelines for US troop withdrawals out of Iraq, as everyone else does.
His foreign policy with regards to Iran and Pakistan are downright dangerous.
His healthcare plan is a trainwreck, and is more of the same "let corporations handle it"
His women's rights and civil rights stances are laughable.
His energy plan is worthless.
He wanted to privatize social security, and we all see what would have happened to everyone's SS last week if that happened
I could continue, but I won't. After the last 8 years, you retards who are voting in the same fucking GOP deserve the disaster that would be a McCain/Palin presidency.
And, for the record, Palin's performance last night COMPLETELY sucked ass, and pretty much everyone agrees. Her answers had absolutely no substance, and she dodged questions all night. It was all fluff, filler, and bullshit.
excuse me, but where exactly on McCain's website does it state he supports civil unions, because he doesnt. Even in last night's debate, she dodged the question of civil rights for gay couples by restating that her and biden's positions are the same on gay marriage when asked about civil rights
To state that the McCain and Obama's positions on civil unions and gay rights is the same is laughable.
No, not really. Obama has a faggy rainbow version of his campaign logo, that is about the only difference. They both say it is the state's choice when it comes to gay marriage.
Explain "gay rights." We can vote, we can drink from the water fountains of the straight, we can ride wherever we want on the bus. The only thing left is gay marriage and the benefits that come with it - and they both have the SAME position on that issue. There are already hate crime laws which gives us more rights than straight people when prosecuting someone who has hurt us. What are you looking for exactly?
Marriage has ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS been a RELIGIOUS issue, so churches can define marriage any way they see fit.
As far as legal protections go:
Obama supports civil unions.
McCain does not support civil unions.
As far as other LGBT issues go:
Employment discrimination: Obama supports legislation to end employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, McCain has repeatedly voted against such bills
Gay Adoption: Obama pro, McCain against. (apparently his daughter would be better off destitute in bangladesh then with a gay couple)
DOMA: Obama wants to repeal, McCain thinks its great
Constitutional Amendments: McCain supports gay marriage bans, Obama has consistently voted against them
HIV: McCain has consistently voted against HIV prevention/treatment bills, Obama has supported them.
Dont ask, Dont tell: Obama wants to repeal, McCain thinks LGBT people in the military present an "intolerable risk"
I said LAUGHABLE for a reason. To say their positions on rights for us are even remotely similar is a huge mischaracterization.
edit - I forgot to add that Palin still things homosexuality is a "choice"
I think you need to take a better look at gay rights, because voting, drinking from the same water fountain and riding the same bus does NOT makeup 100% of gay rights.
Palin's crazy church thinks homosex can be cured through power of prayer!
Here's what the National Review (conservative, obviously) says about Palin's performance:
Seriously? Her sex appeal is what we should vote on? This guy sounds like he blew his load by the end of the debate.
Does anyone give a fuck about the actual issues?
Being gay in the military has always and will always be a NO. I would be in the military right this second but I do not want to break their rules. I would not in any way "be" gay if I enlisted, I would be 100% straight, ooah, warrior but I dunno, I can't anymore now that I came out. Maybe before I could but not anymore. When I graduated high school it was either join the Army (what I wanted to do) or go to college (what my parents wanted me to do), and I went to college.
Thats not true; the only reason its a "no" here is because of backwards rednecks that are holding our country back in every way possible.
Almost every other western nation allows homosexuals to serve openly, and they are respected for doing so, just like any heterosexual would be.
What's not true? That it will always be a No Homo policy? I think it will be.
Plus most gays from what I've seen wouldn't sign up anyway. They're pathetic.