GUN class 3 help

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  1. njftw

    njftw New Member

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    I am trying to find websites that have NFA lowers for sale. You can buy new lowers that are FA, just not a complete MG unless it was built pre-86 correct?
     
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    No, you won't find any full auto lowers due to the fact that they had to have been produced prior to 86.
     
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    993kgt building an airplane whee

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    no, you must buy a pre-1986 lower that is registered as transferrable

    look to pay about $16,000
     
  4. Jurisbot Esq.

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    ridiculous that a piece of machined metal because it has a certain engraving on it is 16 large

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    So is this pre-86?

    I know there are plently of FA rifles for sell @ $12,000+, but I've seen a lot of pics and vids of FA rifles and can't believe they are ALL pre-1986 built rifles...
     
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    I thought Class 3 dealers could get floor "samples" of brand new FAs to show off to police departments. :dunno:
     
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    Sorry.... I should of been more specific.

    It is perfectly legal through Form 4 and tax stamp to do RDIAS in any lower you have correct?
     
  8. xpinchx

    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    Probably a lot of the ones you see are things like dealer samples, and probably a handful of them are simply illegal.

    And I thought the transferable part in an AR-15 was the sear? Hence all the talk about DIAS when dealing with different brands of lowers...
     
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    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    Simultaneous posts :wavey:
     
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    993kgt building an airplane whee

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    that's just an engraving brosephine, nothing wrong with being a poser

    in order to have a legitimate functioning rifle, you need to have one of these rare pre-1986 transferrable rigs on a form 4, or you need to be a dealer (class III) or LEO/Military
     
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    993kgt building an airplane whee

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    Yes, those are $1200 or less, the metal isn't expensive, the serial number is
     
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    If i'm not mistaken, I think you can buy the sear kit for a FA and get it registered and put into your rifle to make it FA.
     
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    Yes, assuming said sear was registered prior to 1986.
     
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    993kgt building an airplane whee

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    everything you can own as a civillian is already registered

    if you buy it, it will be by buying it from someone else, hence the limited supply, and the high demand
     
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    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    That said it's certainly easy to acquire M16 parts... But there's no guarantee the ATF won't be there a week later kicking in your door. :p I was confused for a while as well about full auto Ak parts because the parts are super cheap and easy to find online. I'm just glad I asked before I went and bought it. :noes:
     
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    You are mistaken.

    That is unless you're a class 2 manufacturer.

    Anything you want to buy, like stated, has to have been manufactured and registered before May 19, 1986.
     
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    Yeah, there are kits for all kinds of stuff that is illegal if you simply put it together with a receiver. I just bought a sten kit and the more I look into it the more it looks like a set of handcuffs just waiting to happen if I don't watch it... These things are all over the place but that doesn't mean you can just put it together.
     
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    So I could take a semiauto AK or AR and a cheap fullauto parts kit out to international waters and make myself a full auto no problemo only to have to dump it over board before coming back into US waters? :bowdown:
     
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    lol, that would be nice! Actually having the parts and the rifle constitutes posession if what I read is correct. In the case of the Sten I think it is more the technicality of ATF classifying anything new and open-bolt a FA weapon that's the problem. Since you have to build a receiver for it, having a receiver that will accept the original open-bolt parts = illegal. Not to mention that the parts are also SBR as assembled so I'll have to figure out what I want to do about that before making the receiver too...
     
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    Dont keep any 1.5 inch pipe around.:rofl:
     
  21. xpinchx

    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    :rofl: If you think the ATF/NFA laws are confusing, wait until you get into nautical munitions laws. Talk about getting a run-around.
     
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    there is a Franfort Arsenal M16 lower on Subguns for $9500ish now
     
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    Not that I advocate nor condone it, I was under the impression that any AR15 lower could illegally have FA parts dropped into it which is why having a FA fire control group and an AR15 in the same house could be interpreted by the ATF as constructive intent to manufacture a machine gun.
     
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    So in.:ugh:
     
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    I believe also though, most uppers that are built now really wouldn't be up to the test when it comes to full-auto
     

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