GUN CCW scenario...what would you do???

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  1. SpicyMcVoodoo

    SpicyMcVoodoo New Member

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    You're downtown. It's night time, around 7:30. There are people around, but it's sparce. You are walking toward your parking garage when you notice across the street a homeless guy screaming and yelling. He's violently kicking over newspaper machines and trash cans while screaming obscenities. He's throwing punches in the air. He suddenly darts across traffic yelling "fuck you" to the cars which almost hit him. Now he's running right toward you at full speed, and you are the only person on the sidewalk. You have about 6 seconds until he gets to you. He's looking at you in the eye and he's obviously batshit insane and violent. He's also a pretty big guy and in decent shape.

    What do you???
     
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    Use my OC spray on him.
     
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    Yeah, pepper spray would be a good option here. That, and/or leaving the area.
    I don't see the requirement to apply lethal force to his sorry ass.
     
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    And what if you have no pepper spray and only a concealed handgun?

    edit: how would you leave the area? he's running toward you? There's a building on one side, cars going past you on the other, and a homeless crazy man coming at you. Would you run in the same direction he's running??
     
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    RUN. dont use your weapon unless you HAVE TO
     
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    I might possibly pull it out and point it at him, yelling "stop or I will shoot." I don't know if that will help you in the court if you do have to use deadly force, but it might.
     
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    I actually saw this happen, except the person he was running at was not me, it was some woman. She didn't do anything, and luckily he just ran right past her.
     
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    Pineapple Devil beat it!

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    if hes running full speed at me, step out of the way. his momentum will carry him out of your way. then you have have to react to what he does next but at least you've avoided being tackled
     
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    If he had no weapon I'de try to avoid pulling my gun out in this situation, in NY I'd be charged and most likely convicted if I shot him.
     
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    Pineapple Devil beat it!

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    and if a cop sees it you're in the back of the police car being charged with aggravated assault
     
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    that's exactly why you wouldnt shoot..nigga might be runnin righ past you
     
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    I highly doubt that, in TX anyway. If you simply explain a homeless guy was destroying things, yelling, punching the air, then ran towards you, I doubt a cop would blame you for pulling a gun. Now shooting, that could get a little dicey...
     
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    Or he could have tackled or attacked the person, in which case it's too late to defend yourself. :noes:
     
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    but you wont be dead..meet force with force
     
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    Pineapple Devil beat it!

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    here, if you pull your sidearm or show it to someone in efforts to disuade them from harming you (and they are not armed or it is questionable) you can be arrested for aggrivated assault
     
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    Here's the difficulty of this scenario--

    The homeless guy here is obviously insane, literally. He cannot be trusted to act like a reasonable person and has already shown himself to be destructive.

    For all intents and purposes, it's as if you're on the street, and you notice an escaped animal. Sure, he might not attack you, but maybe he will. He's basically a rabid animal, which means he's unpredictable.
     
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    depends on the size of the two people. if the homeless guy is unarmed, you still shouldnt pull your weapon. a broken nose is not reason to shoot someone. a lawyer will tear you a new asshole in court for that
     
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    :werd: unless the guys running at me with a blade, bat, or something along those lines I'm not even going to consider drawing my weapon.
     
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    i agree with your first sentence, but I don't see how your conclusion follows. if the person who's in danger is a 80lb 60 year old woman, then indeed a broken nose is a reason to shoot someone. that could kill her. it all depends on size.
     
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    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    Is it a Mountain Lion? :noes:
     
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    I'd just kick in in the face with a flying roundhouse. After all, that's what Chuck Norris would do.

    Honestly, if there's no weapon involved, and said homeless dude does not appear to be of a stature conducive to his crushing me with his hands, there's no reason to draw. If I were a petite woman, having just witness such an act on his part, I could make a pretty strong case for it. I myself would keep walking instead of standing. If he follows me or bears toward me while running, I would just play it by the seat of my pants. I'm not a martial arts master, and there are far too many variables for any internet warrior to try to discuss exact actions.

    I would defend myself with appropriate force. It's that simple.
     
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    Goat That crack is really moreish

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    he probably just wants to give you a big bear hug :dunno:
     
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    that was my point.. meet force with force.. if he tackles you..WRESTLE HIM, dont shoot him. if the dude picks up a pipe, shoot him in the face
     
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    right, it all depends on the size of the people. if they are anywhere near the same size then there isnt a need to pull it. thats why i said that first
     

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