Cayenne Turbo S from hell

Discussion in 'That'll Buff Right Out' started by Scottwax, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. Scottwax

    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    520 hp SUV. :bowdown:

    This was one of the most difficult details I have done. I already knew from a regular who has a black '04 Cayenne Turbo that the paint is real finicky but it never needed a really hard correction. The owner just purchased it a few weeks ago. The original owner is from Atlanta but not sure if he picked it up from that person or bought it through a dealer. Like an M5 I looked at earlier this summer that was also bought used from someone in Atlanta, it had acid rain damage that simply laughed at Meguiars #105 and a rotary. It *may* be possible to wetsand it out but not having a paint thickness gauge, I really didn't feel comfortable wetsanding a $130,000 black SUV. Not to mention that the black paint on the Cayenne, while very tough to polish the swirls out of, also has a nasty tendency to haze. The owner had tried to polish the car out (Menzerna 106 with an orange, then a white LC pad), plus it had rotary swirls in the hood as well so that also was a reason to not start sanding without a paint thickness gauge. No telling what had already been removed.

    This is pretty representative of the whole vehicle:

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    Fender with #105 and a yellow Meguiars polishing pad @ 1000-1200 rpm, #80 Speed glaze with a Meguiars polishing pad @ 1400 finishing at 1000 rpm, then 3M Ultrafina using a blue Ultrafina pad, 1000-1800-1000 rpms. Door is the same as the picture above.

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    The pitting you see was all over the horizontal panels and the top of the sides (where they angle in towards the windows). I've seen that on other cars too, never really have heard what causes it but it was there before I started polishing. Some of that is dust too.

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    What was really odd is that even though I used #80 on the fender after #105, it was making worse holograms than #105 was. So did #83 (really awful!) and Optimum Polish. Just driving me nuts trying to find a step down from #105. I finally tried #105 with a Meguiars finishing pad and that did a pretty good job. Washed the dust off with ONR and I then went with 3M Ultrafina and a yellow Meguiars polishing pad @ 1200-1400 rpm over the whole car.

    These are after the above steps:

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    Another ONR wash, touched up a few areas with the UF/yellow Meguiars combo


    Another ONR wash and then 3M UF with a blue UF pad, 1000-1800-1000. This is as much sun as was left...and I had started at 9:30 AM! Still some dust (in the crevices and on the rear pillars) and residue around the lettering but the sun wasn't waiting on me to get to it.

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    Another ONR wash (I think I washed it 4 or 5 times total!) and then I put on a coat of Clearkote's Carnauba Moose. The sun was pretty much right on the horizon when I took these pictures.

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    I talked to Anthony Orosco today about this Cayenne since I know he does probably more Porsches than any other detailer in the country. He said he has had similar problems with black Cayennes. Says next time someone calls to have him detail one, he is retiring! :rofl:

    He told me he has to use #105 or 3M Extra Cut with a foamed wool, then again with a blue foam finishing pad, then step down a light polish like Ultrafina, pretty much what I had figured out after a lot of trial and error. I should have called him first, would have saved me some time. Live and learn! ;)
     
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  2. Run N. Gun

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    You really added an amazing amount of depth and gloss to that Cayenne! :cool: It is quite evident that if an owner maintains the paint on the Porsches, that it really looks great, despite the defects like pitting, etc. It's a shame that more people don't take care of their paint properly.

    That 4th pic from the last of the hood is pure detailer's sex. Excellent work, Scott! :bigthumb:

    One question...do you lose money on jobs like this or do you just build your time into the fee? Just curious how you handle it.
     
  3. Scottwax

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    I didn't give him a firm estimate, just a range. It ended up being towards the top end. ;)

    I am supposed to detail his '99 C5 Corvette some time next week, black of course. :noes:
     
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    When we talked on the phone Scott, I had a good I dead of how big of a biotch this thing was! Just from the tone of your voice!

    I guess you could have called Anthony first but oh well, you learned on your own. Not everyone has an EDU like these spoiled brats here! That was a joke guys.

    Nice work Scott. I just ordered some Car. Moose. It better good!
     
  5. Scottwax

    Scottwax Making detailing great again! Moderator

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    CMW is good. Easy on, easy off, nice darkening effect, excellent depth and decent durability. Only real drawback is that is smells like bug spray. You only notice it if you sniff the product though.
     
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    scott,

    do you mix Clearkote Red Moose Machine Glaze with M105? it really dust/clogs on me. I have heard that would help.
     
  7. Scottwax

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    I cut #105 20% with Optimum Polish (the old version, not the brand new one that just came out) and that definitely helps without reducing cut too much. Used it straight on the Cayenne though. It does dust and you have to clean the pad after each panel but for the fast cut and pretty decent finish it leaves, it is worth the dusting issues. I just keep a fresh wash bucket with ONR in it to wash it down between steps.
     
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    what are you using to clean a foamed wool pad while on the job?
     
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    Amazing job [​IMG]
     
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    An old fork. Foam pads I just run it over my fingertips-not too long though, the pads get hot quick.
     
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    Throw your 80,82,83,84,85 away!!

    My arsenal consists of 66, 86, 105, 205 - that it, nothing more for paint correction.
     
  12. Scottwax

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    :wavey: Hi Joe! Your input here very welcome.

    I'll have to try some 205, I've been hearing good things about it. Been using the 80 series polishes for years, but now I guess they are 1995 polishes trying to deal with 2008 paint.
     
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