A&P Canon 430ex II or 580ex II v. advice

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  1. Dragon129

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    Basically want to upgrade and get a flash for my Canon 50D and need advice. For about $150 more can get the 580ex II but wondering if it's worth it at this point. Does it make sense to just get the 430ex II for now while I learn? :hsd:
     
  2. Ty Webb

    Ty Webb You don't have to go to college. This isn't Russia

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    I have a 430EX and it works fine for me
     
  3. Dragon129

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    yeah I would rather by the cheaper of the two for now since I'm learning. Just wasn't sure if there were specific features I could grow into on the 580 that would make it worth the extra cost. :bigthumb:
     
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    580 would be more beneficial if you have more flashes, as it can be a "Master", and has direct input for wireless triggers.

    430 is terribly with the new pocket wizards I hear

    so if all you want is a flash with ettl for ontop of the hot shoe, it'd be great. Or if you add more in the future, just know you'll need a Master of some kind
     
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    the 580 is a much better flash, weather sealed, I've read its 80-90% more powerful (helpful in daylight), can control other flashes, and a few other things.

    The 430 is great, I have one, but there are bright sunny days where its minimal and I'll be getting a 580 very soon, but I use it for a job. If your just needing a powerful flash and learning to use one the 430 will do fine. Indoors and any other time you need a flash it will be perfect.
     
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    its weather sealed, only on a 1d3/1ds3

    80-90% more powerful, no, not even close.

    you need to learn how to use the flash, its more than capable of fill for the sun. To overpower it, you'll need to be in manual mode
     
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    by 80-90% I'm meaning about 1 stop more power. Thats what has been stated about everywhere. Sometimes is written in percents and sometimes its in stops.

    As for learning to use it, if you tell me what settings I should be looking for, for use in the brightest sunlight on a beach then I'll save my money and use my 430. I use the flash in manual 90% of the time because I hate the way ETTL works (especially in P and AV modes.) The only times that I do use it in ETTL is with a stofen pointed 45degrees up at some weddings.
     
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    90% of the 580's power, not the 580 is 90% more powerful. pretty big difference

    what is it you can't do in sunlight? And what distance are you working at?
     
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    i'll sell you a 550ex for $210 brah, you can use it as a master
     
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    I had both, and liked the 580exII much more. The 430exII doesn't have a sync port, so you have to buy a hotshoe adapted if you want to use it with PW's or CyberSyncs.

    The thing that bothered me the most about the 430exII was that it only has a 90 degree swivel to the right, but 180 degree swivel to the left. This is annoying when you are shooting in portrait because you can't bounce the flash at 45 degrees off the back wall. Whoever designed that flash wasn't thinking, the 180 degree swivel should have been to the right. The 580exII swivels 180 in both directions.

    The 430exII is much smaller though, if that is a factor.
     
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    I'm thinking stupid shit like the swivel is intentional to make people more inclined to buy their big boy product. :o
     
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    ....depends on type of photography you do
     
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    just buy nikon sb28' if you want to use off-camera lighting. you save yourself a shitload of $
     
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    7D can be master, right? :x:
     
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    Picked up the 430 today :coold:
     
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    is the 430 comparable to the sb-600?
     
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    like the nikon speedlites better. :o I had an sb28 600 and 800
     
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    I just bought a 580ex II a few days ago. Should arrive this week.

    The way I see it is...I know already that I love flash photography and will always want/need a flash (I got out of the hobby for a bit so I sold my old flash which was a mark I 580ex) so you might as well get the best. Especially considering these things don't depreciate much at all if you find yourself in a situation where you need to sell it.
     
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    find a used 550ex and pay less than either
     
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    i just sold my SB800 for $380

    and it's like 3-4 years old.

    i did sell it with the off camera mounting cord, but still i didnt lose very much at all.
     

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