MIL Canadian Captain charged with 2nd degree murder v.Afghanistan shoot

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    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/01/06/semrau-petawawa.html

    Canadian soldier accused of killing insurgent following ambush: lawyers
    Last Updated: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 | 3:22 PM ET Comments64Recommend34CBC News
    New details were revealed Tuesday about a Canadian soldier charged in the death of an unarmed man in Afghanistan.

    Defence and prosecution lawyers released a joint statement of circumstances about Robert Semrau's case at a hearing at Canadian Forces Base to determine whether to release him from custody.

    Semrau, originally from Pembroke, Ont., faces one count of second-degree murder in the shooting death of a presumed insurgent in Afghanistan's Helmand province in October.

    According to the statement, on Oct. 19, Semrau was out on a mission with a small team of Afghan soldiers he was helping to command as part of a mentoring program.

    The statement says the group was ambushed by Taliban insurgents, but managed to regain control with the help of U.S. air support.

    Soldiers with the Afghan National Army later discovered a wounded insurgent on the ground. His injuries were too apparently too severe for him to be helped. The man's rifle was taken away by Afghan soldiers.

    According to the statement, Semrau was then left alone with the injured insurgent and two shots were heard. An unnamed witness said he saw Semrau shoot the Taliban insurgent.

    Both the Crown and prosecution have recommended that Semrau be released with conditions that he live with his family and continue working on the base. The judge is expected to make his decision later Tuesday afternoon.

    The trial is unlikely to take place until late 2009. If convicted, Semrau could face 25 years in prison.

    Semrau, who attended the hearing with his wife and seven-month-old daughter, had no comment when he made his way inside for the hearing.

    Canadian military officials said they were made aware of the allegations on Dec. 27, and notified the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service, which then began an investigation.

    Canada has about 2,500 soldiers in Afghanistan, mostly based in the south around Kandahar. Neighbouring Helmand province is largely patrolled by British troops.




    We've been hearing about this for a couple of weeks now. Hope this ends well for the Captain, from all reports he was a real professional, I just hope it wasn't a mercy killing :hs:
     
  2. WildBull

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    fuck that. If they are starting to charge for murders after an ambush by insurgents then obviously we don't need to be there anymore since there are combat paper pushers and buddy fuckers over there doing nothing but sitting around with their thumbs up there ass trying to get our own guys in trouble.


    just read the whole article....

    i'm indecisive.
     
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    Fucking disgusting. I love the CF but their government is all fucked up.
     
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    Not to sound stupid, but whats wrong with "mercy" killing? If he's going to die anyway....? Let him out with dignity?
     
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    please tell me whats the difference between this and an apache blowing away people at a distance with a 30mm cannon like in this famous video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QPeWlCYuRg
    where at 3:05 the commander clearly says "he's wounded - hit him"

    ive also seen several other clips of gunships finishing off wounded people still squirming on the ground
     
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    yes, because our's is the pinnacle of non-fucked up governments.... :ugh:
     
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    The theory is that you aren't a doctor and cant make the determination that he's going to die yourself (even a medic cant), even if its really obvious. Its stupid but its part of the LOACs I believe.

    edit: you're supposed to make them comfortable until they die, even though there are many wounds medics cant make any less painful with what they carry.
     
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    From a legal point of view, a chopper pilot cant ''disarm'' him, so even if wounded he is still a threat. In the article it states that the insurgent's weapon was taken away, meaning he was no longer a threat, and in fact, no longer a combatant.
     
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    the guy who dragged himself away from the burning truck wasn't armed either :dunno:
     
  10. WildBull

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    this is gay
     
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    sorry for the bump, but, not guilty of murder, or attempted murder (civilian charges), guilty of disgraceful conduct (military charge, up to 5 years in prison, but no minimum punishment)
     
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    sounds about right :hs:
     
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    I read the thread title as "Captain Canadian".

    That is all.
     
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