MIL Canada sends tanks to Afghanistan

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  1. Jason H

    Jason H Active Member

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    This will mark the first time our Leo's have been in actual combat besides the wargames we held with the Americans and their M1 (We won a majority of those engagements).

    :wiggle: Good hunting boys, nothen like a 105m cannon reaching out and touching someone. Should give 'em some more oomph's than what those 25mm Bush cannon's can do.
     
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    What's a bush cannon?
     
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    Bushmaster, 25mm on LAVs.
     
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    Apparently history has taught the canadians nothing about Tanks and why they're bad in Afghanistan.
     
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    uh ... we had no intention of bringing tanks in originally and were even selling off the ones we had at home. The situation over there is changing.
     
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    The mountains are crumbling down? Hmm...that might bee fun to watch when I get deployed there in December.
     
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    Anyway, hope you blokes upgraded your more than we did, ours are shagged (hence the Abrams purchase).

    Hell, given the anounced expansion we'll probably be buying more.

    Dunno about deploying them the Afghanistan, depends on role and terrain obviously.
     
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    In kandahar, where the canadians are, the fighting has moved out of the mountains and into and around cities and villages, where tanks have proved their usefulness in iraq.

    http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/jfq_pubs/1539.pdf
     
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    So the canuks are sending their tanks over to Afghanistan to set up a used tank lot? I hope they have a good marketing plan.
     
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    :ugh2:
     
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    That article (I've just read the first two pages, will read the rest later) has nothing to do with Afghanistan and the topic at hand. I understand the intent of the Article, and I understand your wanting to equate the two issues. Afghanistan is not tank friendly, never has been, never will be. I'll watch this very closely and try read up more and more on it...but history has taught us that Tanks + Afghanistan = Very Bad in the long run.

    Key reasons against the use of Armor in Afghanistan

    - Main Tank Rounds will pentrate civilian buildings and will continue on through several buildings before ending it's journey. The round will expose civilian populace to fire several blocks away

    - Can't navigate in urban terrain

    - Can't elevate weapons to engage targets in an urban environment

    - Destroys civillian infrastructure just by travelling on it (roads / bridges)

    - Easy to become a "Mobility Kill". Once you become a mobility kill, your effectiveness becomes nill.

    See Also:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_of_War

    http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6453/soviet5.html
     
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    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    Yeah The Soviets tried tanks and eventually adopted the same foot tactics as their enemies. The Soviets eventually gave up, in what is referred to as their Vietnam.
     
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    To be fair one of the reasons put forward when Chief of Army was explaining why he wanted M1's wasn't firepower but armour, in other words the ability to poke your head out and cop a bunch of RPG's and keep going with crew intact.

    The other thing may be mobility, tracks can go where wheels can't. That's why you see M113's in Timor, not because they're good (they're actually shit) but because the ground in many areas is too much for something like an ASLAV or Bushy.

    Does Canada have anything in the light tracked category?
     
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    The underline snippet is just for you Turbo, don't get so cocky ;)
     
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    They have arrived :bowdown: Hopefully some vid's pop up.
     

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