Discussion in 'On Topic' started by Inferno, May 15, 2005.
Prime reason why Canada > USA
What war was that ?
I don't think I've ever heard of this war.
war of 1812
Is this the crap they're teaching our misguided northern neighbors?
You don't know what you're talking about, Canada did not own the United States in the War of 1812, there were numerous wins and losses on both sides and the war eventually ended with no clear winner in a stalemate with the signing of the Treaty of Ghent.
You stopped us from capturing Quebec and Ontario, however you also fail to mention that WE stopped YOU from capturing New Orleans, Baltimore, and a few other places.
The War of 1812 was the defining moment in the U.S. solidifying it's dominance of naval superiority and let's not forget that you pussy ass Canadians didn't even fight the war, the Brits fought it for you.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot.....
Go the Brits.....
no, he's just being overzealous, don't think that all canadians think they are superior to americans.
the brits are the ones who lit up the whitehouse, but most of the war was fought by canadians.
yeah, i think that's about it
Not only would you have lost the war if we would have kept going, it would be ugly to see a war between the US and Canada today.
i'm not much of a history buff, why exactly did the americans stop?
and of course you would win a today, you have, what? 10x the population?
and it doesn't help that our government is being so fucking stupid with the military...
The population part doesn't really matter. China has like 8x as much as America, but most people think America would still win. It's just our economy and resources.
Not sure why they stopped though...
well a larger population means you're going to have more money from tax, more people who decide to go into the military, etc.. but i admit it's not a 100% accurate measure of who would win.
just while we're on the topic...
Canada definately would not have won the war without England's help. England was reluctant to fight the war as it was. America wanted the British out of North America, and if that meant invading Canada to do it, they would. England commercial interests saw America as an important market and supplier, so their support for the war was halfhearted.
America, thanks to the ship Constitution, was demolishing British-Canadian ships in the Great Lakes. Britain (not Canada) finally started setting up blockades at ports at New England, causing America's military to weaken. After this joke of a war, fought well by American troops, who's small force was scattered all around the country, finally was coming to an end, when England, reinforced by troops who are coming off of a victory over Napoleons troops, sent a large force which America demolished at the Battle of New Orleans. Note, this was 2 weeks after the Treaty of Ghent was signed. The British troops were not aware of the treaty, so they fought at their strongest point, and still lost.
America did not win, or lose, this war. Nobody knows what would have happend if the treaty was not signed.
the US attacked canada and was driven back. how is that not losing?
America signed the treaty when they were satisfied. The reason America wanted the English out of NA was because of impressment on American sailors. To build up England's navy, they would seize and kidnap soldiers from American ships.
After the war of 1812 started, and the Napoleonic wars ended, and the immediate need for more English sailors was no longer a problem. Since the English stopped impressing American sailors, America was happy. Neither side wanted a war anymore, so the treaty was signed.
Most of the issues which started the war was left unresolved. Both sides wanted to stop fighting. If anything, it was a stalemate. America didn't surrender, and neither did the British-Canadians.
It was a mistake of a war and everyone wanted to get out of it. America wasn't driven out at all. America won the biggest battle, the Battle of New Orleans, 2 weeks after the Treaty of Ghent was signed. America destroyed the biggest fleet Britain could send. The turning point in the war wasn't even in the war.
America had the upper-hand in the war, and then it was a draw.
arent we better off now than we were back then??
But almost 100 years before smuggling became a lifestyle, Fort Kent residents prepared to take up arms against Canada, in the only war ever declared by a single U.S. state against a foreign country.
The Aroostook War, named after Maine's northernmost county, was a border dispute that got way out of hand. The trouble started when Maine gained statehood in 1820 and began issuing land grants to settlers in the Aroostook River Valley. The borders weren't clearly defined, so Canadian lumberjacks continued to cut timber in the Aroostook region.
The British were attacking the US in parts south... but when the US invaded Canada, our fources were routed. The Canuck whordes could have invaded and whooped some serious ass, but they didn't.
Holy fuck I hate it when I hear some lousy Canadian permeate the already negative Canada vs US discussions on here. Be proud of what our nation has, and what we will have in the future. What does it matter what happened 200 years ago when the Brits still controlled half of North America? Jesus Christ, man, get off your high-horse and come down and realize that both nations are important to the well-being of North America. We are not superior to them, nor them to us.
We have a LOT of flaws, and so do they. Last time I checked, our federal government had stolen $200 million in taxpayer money... So yeah we're not that great politically. Our healthcare? Sure, it's not bad, but it could be better. And as a CF Army guy, I can tell you we are not up to par financially as other countries (hell Australia as 2x the funding we have for an equal population.)
Pig War > 1812