A&P can this type of shot be done with just a flash?

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  1. mtkversion

    mtkversion Good Times Aplenty

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    possible at all with just a flash/reflector?

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  2. tenxia

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    you also need a camera.

    and a lens.
     
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    just looks like a flash to me
     
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    mtkversion Good Times Aplenty

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    :rofl: :bowdown:

    legendr34 - thought it would take a light setup for a shot like that .. if that's possible with just flash then that's perfect.

    thanks.
     
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    On camera flash, no.

    Off camera flash, yes.
     
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    mtkversion Good Times Aplenty

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    oh word? fuck then.

    i only have a 420ex and just recently started learning about flash photography so i don't know how to do the off-camera flash yet .. :(
     
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    You can pick up an off off camera shoe cord(Canon off camera shoe cord 2). They're about $40.


    Edit: By on camera flash, I meant built in flash, sorry. You might be able to get away with having a 420ex on there. Best way is to try it out yourself.
     
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    my opinion is that there's at least 2 light sources
    but im a noob...what do i know :o
     
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    turbodude Just a photographer OT Supporter

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    one light source high camera right, and maybe a reflector for fill (but i dont think so).

    Im pretty sure there is a modifier on teh flash, probably a beauty dish of some sort. The lightsource is harsh yet soft. if that makes any sense. And i definaetly feel one light source. Look at the dramatic fall off behind the subject
     
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    mtkversion Good Times Aplenty

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    sweet .. i'll look into it further .. thanks all.
     
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    the shadow pattern tells you there's a light source high and camera right.

    There's no fill camera left, since the shadow areas are all pretty hard. if there is, its >3 stops
     
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    it's probably a snooted flash, notice theres not much lighting the plants, except where it spills in the top right
     
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    mtkversion Good Times Aplenty

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    lets say i want to go macgyver style with some sort of light other than a flash .. what kind of bulb in a shoplight would work with a reflector helping out?

    i can run an extension cord from an ac/dc inverter in the car to get to some nifty locations/views.
     
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    Dont think they will be bright enough... Blubs (fluro or incandescent) also arent easy on inverters, it would be much more efficient to charge up a lead acid battery and buy sets of 12v pinspot driving lights.
     
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    mtkversion Good Times Aplenty

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    hmmm .. i'm a pussy though and don't want to lug a battery around ... unless they make small/light ones that will produce enough voltage. :mamoru:

    good idea though!
     
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    why go thru all the hassle of running extension cords?

    You can get these shots with a single battery powered flash. Maybe a second one too.

    Much more flexible and portable than running cable from your car.
     
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    Look at a sealed lead acid (SLA).

    They are leak proof and smaller than car batteries but you need to buy an SLA charger, don't use a car one.

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    but yeah, a flash is easier and brighter :hs:
     
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    any tips on achieving this shot? again i'm a flash n00b.

    i read some tip where i should exposure lock on the blue sky without flash behind the subject ... then recompose with the flash on, on the subject .. is that the proper technique?

    also how should i aim the flash?

    am going to practice this tonight so want to be sure i get a couple usable images :noes:
     
  21. IntheWorks

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    meter for the sky, add flash and adjust power and chimp until you achieve desired exposure. You'll bee a speedlight on a stand high camera right... you can use any modifier you choose, or no modifier at all, it just depends on how YOU want the shot to look.
     
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    Take a look at Light Science & Magic, which is great but textbooky.
    Or else you can run through the Strobist material which gives it to you in a simpler way with more concrete examples, but will take longer.

    Deconstructing lighting is the first thing you do, look at the shadow pattern under her chin.

    Take a look at this pic: http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/04/lighting-101-back-light-as-main-light.html

    You can see where the flash is, but even if it were better hidden the radiating lines from the shadow pattern points directly to the flash location.

    Same deal with your pic.

    If you still can't see it, just visualise it with a spotlight. It would be above her head, and pointing downward. Look at the shadow under her chin.

    Flash isn't any different, you just need to imagine the light patterns, and its infinitely easier to carry around some flashes & AA batts, than powering continuous lighting gear out in a grassy field.



    The ambient-with-flash thing is beautifully described here:
    http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101-balancing-flash-and.html

    once you learn the basic 'recipe' you can knock these shots out in your sleep.
     
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    My guess as to duplicating your shot....

    first set your cam to manual. It'll be faster/easier, trust me.
    figure out the ambient exp. Lets call it 1/60 at f8
    stick a flash high, camera right, about 8 ft up, 45 deg off axis.
    the light falls off around her knees, so throw a 5" snoot on it, aimed at her head.
    start your flash on 1/4 power.

    your shutter controls ambient, and aperture determines flash exp & ambient.
    since her face is in backlit shadow, youre flashing her face, and adjusting so ambient stays the same.

    so if you open up to f4, you comp the shutter by 2 stops to even it out,
    thats 1/250 at f4

    then chimp away until you get the right look you want.
    those light values will usu be very similar, so starting with that gets you 90% there. just fine tuning from there.

    and lighting her face about 1/3 higher helps to blow out wrinkles...good for the ladies. But its up to you.

    after that you can experiment with modifiers etc. but the above should get you the sample shot you posted.
     
  24. IntheWorks

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    there is no way that's shot with a snoot... it's either a small softbox, or a beauty dish
     
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    I'd light it with two flashes, one snooted on her face
    and a white shoot-thru on her upper body.

    but yeah whether you stick a short snoot or not, the general approach is still the same.
     

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