Caffeine and Creatine

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  1. egxflash

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    I know a lot of guys here supplement caffeine. But do you do it still when youre on creatine?

    I read around here that a moderate amount of caffeine (~100mg) dulls the effect of creatine on your body.

    any truth to this, since i didnt really see anythign on the subject looking through the forum
     
  2. Mike McDermott

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    it doesn't dull the effect of creatine

    just drink a shitload of water
     
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    does it matter drinking creatine with powerade or water?



    i drank it with water and found it worked better then powerade did.
     
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    No, I dont use two supplements that ryhme with each other at the same time. Its just not healthy.



    www.pubmed.com
     
  5. Mike McDermott

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    nah
     
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    J Appl Physiol. 1996 Feb;80(2):452-7.

    Caffeine counteracts the ergogenic action of muscle creatine loading.

    Vandenberghe K, Gillis N, Van Leemputte M, Van Hecke P, Vanstapel F, Hespel P.

    Faculty of Physical Education and Physiotherapy, Department of Kinesiology, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium.

    This study aimed to compare the effects of oral creatine (Cr) supplementation with creatine supplementation in combination with caffeine (Cr+C) on muscle phosphocreatine (PCr) level and performance in healthy male volunteers (n = 9). Before and after 6 days of placebo, Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1), or Cr (0.5 g x kg-1 x day-1) + C (5 mg x kg-1 x day-1) supplementation, 31P-nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy of the gastrocnemius muscle and a maximal intermittent exercise fatigue test of the knee extensors on an isokinetic dynamometer were performed. The exercise consisted of three consecutive maximal isometric contractions and three interval series of 90, 80, and 50 maximal voluntary contractions performed with a rest interval of 2 min between the series. Muscle ATP concentration remained constant over the three experimental conditions. Cr and Cr+C increased (P < 0.05) muscle PCr concentration by 4-6%. Dynamic torque production, however, was increased by 10-23% (P < 0.05) by Cr but was not changed by Cr+C. Torque improvement during Cr was most prominent immediately after the 2-min rest between the exercise bouts. The data show that Cr supplementation elevates muscle PCr concentration and markedly improves performance during intense intermittent exercise. This ergogenic effect, however, is completely eliminated by caffeine intake.
     
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    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi5.htm
     
  8. Layne Staley

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    Dude, you could pretty much die doing those two supplements together. It's like mixing Dynamite with Brimstone......it's gonna explode, just like your body with those two chemicals working against each other.
     
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    eek.. i am gonna stop taking caffeine wif my workouts :hs:

    edit: is there anything more recent than a 12 year old article? this shit changes faster than britney spears' mental diagnosis.
     
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    :werd: One of the first things you learn in any research and theory class is that articles over 5 years old are to be considered outdated garbage.

    Using an article that old in a research paper would result in an F in my experience.
     
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    sarcasm or no? i can't tell :hs:
     
  12. Noelting

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    what classes are you taking? plenty of journal published articles cite studies that are 10-20 years old if the results are repeatable.
     
  13. egxflash

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    ugh i cant find where it is anymore but i remember reading something about how even though creatine's effects with strength gains is curbed by caffeine, its cell volumizing properties aren't compromised. So if size is what you want, it doesnt really matter.

    ...thats what it said anyway. its somewhere on bodybuilding.com
     
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    i'm not going to stop taking either. for helping with the efficacy of my workout, caffeine > creatine

    I'll just move my CR supp to after my workout when the caffeine has worn off some
     
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    Exactly what I was going to say.


    If you feel you have better energy and more focus from caffeine then that extra effort will translate into better results than creatine will. Just take the creatine at another time.
     
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    No sarcasm that time. ;)
     
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    yeah but if caffeine is the difference between a sluggish workout and a good one, then fuck dropping it

    creatine isn't going to help you do shit if you don't have the energy to get through a tough one
     
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    :werd: i moved creatine intake to post workout
     
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