GUN Buying Used Guns

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  1. wetwillie

    wetwillie New Member

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    Do a lot of people buy used guns? I've only bought 1 gun in my life and that was like 20 years ago...it was from a friend and a cop buddy checked it out for me and said it was clean. My cop buddy is no longer on the force. :(

    I'm wondering what would be the legal implications of buying a gun from someone....aside from the obvious ones that I'm now responsible for keeping it out of the hands of criminals. What if the gun in question has been used in the commission of a crime? How can one protect themselves from this??

    Are there any legal requirements to "register" the gun with the local authorities after it's purchased? Is there some sort of waiting period like there is with buying a new gun??

    Since I don't know much about guns, how can I tell if it's a good deal or not? I would hate to buy an old worn out gun that falls apart on me.

    Any suggestions on where to find my state specific information? I live in Oklahoma by the way.

    Any help would be appreciated.
     
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    bigboostdsm New Member

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    Just keep a record of who you bought it from, there's a good form out there somewhere but I don't have a link to it.

    Also, you should be able to tell from the general appearance of the seller whether or not it's someone you want to do business with.
     
  3. Keesh

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    You can buy a gun face to face with someone in the same state as you without having to do anything. If you're really worried that the gun might have been used in a crime you can call your local police department and have them run the numbers.

    As for telling if it's a good deal or not, post the description and pics on here and someone on here should know. Find out how many rounds have been through the gun, look for rust, ask about any "modifications." stuff like that.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    Soybomb New Member

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    We really can't tell you anything about what is or isn't legal without knowing what state you live in. Personally I wouldn't worry about buying a used gun unless you thought you were buying a stolen gun or one from a criminal. But if I didn't know about what to look for in a gun, I wouldn't be buying a used one without an escort either.
     
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    [DWI] Master of Nothing

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    if this is legal or not would vary from state to state as would having to register it.

    So only general things apply, like be sure to keep a record of who you bough ti from (copy of a DL works well) and the character of the individual speaks volumes.
     
  6. wetwillie

    wetwillie New Member

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    I'm worried about this because I've thought about looking for used guns to try and find a better price on the guns I want. I haven't done much shopping yet but these questions are what's stopping me from moving forward....I'm so new to guns I don't know about all this stuff yet.

    Are the numbers sufficient because it would seem that they would need balistics info associated with the numbers before knowing for sure that it was clean or not?

    Wouldn't a serial number only tell them if it's stolen or not?? How will this tell them whether it was used in a crime?
    Yep it does help...thanks.
     
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    didn't read the whole post did ya??
    I'm from Oklahoma.
    Well I don't think I would be buying one from a criminal but honestly that doesn't seem sufficient. What if the guy selling the gun bought it off of a criminal?
     
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    Aren't a lot of used guns sold at gun shows?? How does one get comfortable with buying them there??
     
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    As for the legal aspect of buying it, that is up to where you live. Most places allow FTF transfers as long as you live in the same state.

    Telling whether the gun has a history can be done by the police, but you can generally tell by what the gun is and the seller. If it is a cheap gun new there is a chance it could be dirty. If it is a high quality piece and the person is knowledgeable it is probably good. When in doubt check with the police.
     
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    Oops, missed it.

    What if? As long as you meet the laws your state requires you've done your job. If you're really worried take the guy you're buying from to a dealer and have do a transfer through his bound book. If I'm the seller though you're not taking my presonal information for any sort of dumb records you feel you need to keep and I'll find a buyer thats willing to trade me cash for the goods just like any other product.

    Self help tapes, meditation? What do you need to get comfortable with? Treat it like a hard drive, mother board, etc unless your state's law requires otherwise.
     
  11. wetwillie

    wetwillie New Member

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    Any suggestions on how to find out what my state requires?? Other than calling a lawyer?
    Yeah well I guess I'm just worried that if I have to use it in self defense and the balistics came back as a gun used in a crime, that I might be charged with that crime eventhough I didn't commit the crime.

    Ok...that's a good point. I guess I'm so new to guns that I never thought about it that way. It would just suck that 10 years from now, I use it to defend myself legally however, it gets a hit with some database balistics info that it was used in some other crime and the police then charge me with that crime.

    Am I just being too paranoid here?
     
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    All states have a webpage with their laws. A little googling should point you to that page. A little more searching should let you which statutes are relevant to firearms.

    And yes you're being paranoid. Try to find an intstance of that happening.
     
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    Check the link for Oklahoma gun laws:

    http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/OKSL.pdf

    If you not real knowledgable about guns, find a friend who is to help you check it out. As a rule, if the seller seems reluctant to allow you to inspect the gun for rust or function problems, then walk away from it.
     
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    BigBadJohn Pay-back time OT Supporter

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    :rofl:
    Youre paranoid that if you buy a gun, suddenly crack heads will break into your house by the hundreds trying to get your new gun?
     
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    The best place its to meet at a range so you can try it out.
     
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    copiertalk Secure Our Borders! OT Supporter

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    I just call the serial number in and inspect the firearm. If you are paranoid, call the number in from a pay phone,
     
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    meet at the range. have some friends. inspect and shoot. if you want to move forward with the purchase, inform the seller that you would like to pass the information through local law enforcement, and ask if that is okay. lets be honest, they're not gonna want you to do that if it's dirty, so if they agree, pull out your cell phone, advise them you're interested in purchasing a firearm, and want to ensure it is clean. Give them the serial number, and if they have no "interest" in the weapon, then you finish your deal. If they have "interest" in it, then they will likely ask to meet with you -- so let them come to the range. If the person stays with you, then let them talk it out with the cops... Otherwise, don't be a hero, let them leave if they are intent on doing so. Hopefully you would have already obtained phone numbers, addresses and what not that can be passed onto law enforcement. If you still have the weapon, you may surrender it to the cops. Otherwise, most ranges have video cameras and the cops can get a copy of the tapes, and you go your own seperate way.

    At any rate, I don't see the problem. You may not end up with the gun, but at least if you do, you will be reasonably certain that it's a clean sale.
     
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    Also remember that not everyone is going to take time out of their day to drive to the range and let someone play with their gun. A few hundred bucks is sounding like hours of hassle with alot of you guys for what should be 5 minutes in the mcdonalds parking lot.
     
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    Well, I thought about used for like 5 seconds... New is the way to go, anyway, imo.
     
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    cool...thanks for the link! :bigthumb:
     
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    wetwillie New Member

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    :ugh:

    How about you read the thread before responding next time. mmmkaay?
     
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    Excellent suggestion. Thanks man!:bigthumb:
     
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    Care to elaborate on your reasoning for buying new?
     
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    BigBadJohn Pay-back time OT Supporter

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    Like I give a fuck
     
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    [DWI] Master of Nothing

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    Wow selling guns in a fast food parking lot. :wtf: At least if you go inside you'll know who you are buying form and you'll even get a receipt. You're describing the kind of character most of us would not buy a gun from.

    I agree that people might not go that far out of their way to drive to make a special trip to the range to show the gun, when there are buyers out there who know that is the gun they want. But then again we are talking about a gun not a hamburger, most people even an individual and not a store, will answer your question and show you how the gun works if there is a unique take down and a good inspection should reveal if the gun is in good firing order or not. In the worst case you can take a snap cap and cycle the gun to make sure it is in working order. Most real stores and ranges can rent the types of guns they sell for you to try.



    I see no reason that a buyer shouldn't ask for a copy of information, I mean honestly with any other product you get a receipt and/or bill of sale generally stating what parties were involved, what goods changed hands and what amount of cash changed hands. I mean if you get such a thing a chick-fil-a getting it for a gun purchase should be no big deal.

    Let's flip the situation around and assume you are the seller. You bought a gun from the gun store and the serial number is on file in the dealer's bound book. Now you sell it to just any old joe. A few weeks later the cops shop up at your door and you are now a "person of interest" in a crime, because a gun was recorded at the scene. The cops called the manufacturer and asked where the gun was shipped, and the ask the dealer who the gun was sold to. It would be in you best interest to have a photocopy of the DL of the guy you sold it to and maybe a signature stating the fact he bought it, cops will like that much better than "gee I sold it to some guy years ago, I have no idea how it ended up at a crime scene."

    While the chances of a gun previously being used in a crime and then sold and finally being recovered from the new owner are slim, any responsible gun owner would understand the request of the buyer, as I stated the seller would do well to keep a similar record for his sake. Anyone who doesn't want to tell me who they are and wants to sell me a gun, I classify as a suspicious character and probably not someone I want to buy a gun from when I can find a seller who will be happy to agree to providing me his actual identity.

    cliffs: Soybomb's version of a used gun sale = shady.
     

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