GUN Bushmaster buys Masada rights

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    http://homelandsecurityleader.com/h...ushmaster-and-magpul-team-on-advanced-weapon/
    rom Bushmaster Release

    Bushmaster Firearms International, LLC (BFI) announced today that it has signed an exclusive license deal with Magpul Industries Corp. for the production, future development, and sales of Magpul’s prototype MASADA weapon system.

    The Bushmaster ACR (Adaptive Combat Rifle) will initially be offered in 5.56 NATO, available for law enforcement and civilian purchase second quarter 2008. This release will be followed by military ACR versions in the 3rd quarter of 2008.

    Without government funding or outside influence of any kind, the Masada concept was developed from scratch in Boulder, Colorado by Magpul’s Design Group. The Masada concept was first shown publicly at the 2007 Shot Show and its success prompted Magpul to spend a year redesigning the system for production.

    The result is the ACR (Adaptive Combat Rifle) which keeps the fundamentals of the Masada concept with added advanced features such as firing pin block and true ambidextrous charging handle.

    Among the ACR’s key features are a gas piston operating system, tool-less quick change barrel, multi-adjustable folding stock with integrated storage, and backward compatibility with a number of AR15/M16 parts. Due to similar operating controls, user transition from the M16 series of weapons is easily facilitated with minimal re-training.

    The Bushmaster ACR will initially be available in 3 SKUS: Standard Carbine with fixed stock, Entry Carbine with folding stock, and Special Purpose Rifle with Precision Rifle Stock. Live fire demonstration and test and evaluations beginning in the end of March to qualified law enforcement, federal government agencies.

    :wtc: guess I'm buying an FN2000 :hs:
     
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    I don't think thats a bad thing necessarily, bushmaster has the resources to make this happen and get it in people's hands. Magpul's ability to do that seemed more iffy.
     
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    i`ll still buy one.
    alot better chance of them reaching the civi market this way.
     
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    this is not a bad thing...
     
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    I'll want to see one, but I'm still interested. I just hope that bushmaster sees a market for a .308win version.
     
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    I don't see it having the same versatility magpul was promising, especially caliber wise. I probably won't be buying one anymore, and if I do it wont be for a long time, I'll get a FN2K or POF AR.
     
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    :werd: my initial reaction was :ugh:, but then i thought :eek5:

    Bushmaster can definitely get the project moving much faster than it is now. They wouldnt have bought it if that wasnt the case. In a world of 11ty billion AR's, they really need to have a product that can stand out against the rest, and the masada can do that. Military and Civilian sales of it will help them out a TON.
     
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    Doubt we'll see a 5.45 one now too, main reason I wanted one was the swapability between 5.56 and 5.45.
     
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    my interest rate in the Masada is dropping rapidly at this point.
     
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    well I agree the potentital for bushy to ruin it is definitely there... But they also have the opportunity to capitilize on the market and release a truely versatile building-block weapon... Not just selling the initial carbine for $1,000-1,500 but also selling one or two $500 uppers with it, as well -- converting a $900 AR buyer into a $2000 customer with the potential for more uppers and infinite accessories down the road.
     
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    hopefully bushmaster keeps all the platforms that magpul was going to do.that would be the only real bad thing bout BMI taking it over. if they just made one platform.
    im sure we`ll get the info after/during SHOT
     
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    I'm worried, but hopefully it'll pan-out :noes:
     
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    I don't care about the other platforms... Honestly, a good semi-auto .308 is what we need. There are few choices in reliable, ready-available, affordable .308.
     
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    Perhaps I'm too much of an optimist but I don't see why. Presumably something like this was magpul's long term plan and the design maximized parts compatibility and kept manufacturing the other caliber components affordable. That versatility is part of what sets the masada apart from the other products and I don't think any buyer of it would be foolish enough to not see that. Bushmaster has a lot of money behind it and I don't think it will waste the chance to really put some hurting on their competitors here. If bushmaster puts out the 5.56 before the election it'll be like they're printing money when all the chicken little's rush to buy it and I don't think there will any trouble convincing them masada stuff will sell.

    Of course as long as I get a 5.56 and 6.8 I'll be happy :rofl:

    How come? What changed? Other than it might be out in the next year or two now? :big grin:

    Magpul has a .308 under development (the massoud) that I wouldn't be surprised to see at shot. I've not heard anything that says if its just a bigger masada or different.
     
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    I don't see why the masado shouldn't have been even more modular -- make the magwell part of the UPPER receiver... Then you can use the same lower on many cals -- even between 5.56 and 7.62
     
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    i definitely want to read what people have to say about it after SHOT

    not too impressed with the rendering pics
     
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    Magpul would charge A LOT more then bushy would for this... because of manufacturing.

    I'm not intrested in this weapon... but bushy making them for the most part would be a good thing.
     
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    Well I never had a problem with any of the bushy AR stuff I've had, I have heard there quality control as of late hasn't been as good as it use to be. Also every non AR weapon they've made that I handled was a POS. Perhaps with Cerebus in charge things will/are changing but regardless I will not buy a busada untill its been out for awhile, had magpul made it I would of grabbed one early on, if something was fucked up I know magpul would do right by it.
     
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    Magpul's planned retail price was around $1400, I don't see it going down much lower then that with bushy in charge.
     
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    This has got to be some sort of cruel, pre-SHOT show disinformation campaign.
     
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    Read 7kopper's comments here www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=233948&page=2 They seem to tie in very well to this news. I think a lot of people feel like the little guy sold them out on this but look how delayed the UBR stock has been. I can't imagine how long we'd be waiting for a whole rifle.
     
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    My thoughts exactly. I probably won't be rushing to buy this weapon now, if I buy it at all.
     
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    What I said elsewhere was that I'm torn, but it sounds like they've just decided to focus on what they do best (polymers) and let BM do the metal and assembly. Plus, enthusiast popular opinion notwithstanding, Bushmaster is an established name in firearms, which will greatly help departments and perhaps even the military consider it as a viable choice.

    I'm still calling it the Masada.

    And moving the charging handle to the op-rod looks like it might preclude forward mounting of anything that overhangs the rail, like an EOTech or laser unit.
     

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