Building my first "self-built" computer.

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  1. Clarity

    Clarity New Member

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    Hello OT (On-Topic), I'm going to build my own computer soon. I have to decide whether allocating fund for this project will be worthwile, but I'm leaning towards "yes". I have a few questions:

    Due to the low traffic here, I've gotten only 1 response from a mod.

    Anywho, I've got the whole shebang down except the motherboard. Please help me with the selection that will fit my config:

    Video Card-$569
    ATI 100-435805 Radeon X1900XTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
    # Model #: 100-435805
    # Item #: N82E16814195003

    Processor-$546.00
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Manchester 1GHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor - Retail
    # Model #: ADA4600BVBOX
    # Item #: N82E16819103545

    RAM-$122.00x2
    CORSAIR XMS 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory - Retailx2
    # Model #: CMX1024-3200C2
    # Item #: N82E16820145576

    Motherboard-Support AMD 64 X2, 184-Pin SDRAM, ATI 1900XTX

    Hard Drive-$46.00
    SAMSUNG SpinPoint P80SD HD040GJ 40GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    # Model #: HD040GJ
    # Item #: N82E16822152023

    PowerSupplyUnit-$89.99
    Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL - Retail
    # Model #: TPII-550
    # Item #: N82E16817103931

    Mouse-58.99
    Razer Copperhead Chaos RZ01-050300-R1M1 Black 7 Buttons 1x Wheel Gold plated USB 2000 DPI Laser Engine Gaming Mouse - Retail
    # Model #: RZ01-050300-R1M1
    # Item #: N82E16826153107

    Mousepad-$12.00
    Steel Pad QCK Mouse Pad - Retail
    # Model #: 20016
    # Item #: N82E16817114707

    Monitor- $0.00
    Current

    Case -$139.99
    Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
    # Model #: VA8000BWS
    # Item #: N82E16811133154

    Sound Card-$121.99
    Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
    # Model #: 70SB046000007
    # Item #: N82E16829102188

    1828.97

    Finally, I still thank you all A LOT for reading and helping me with this project xD

    *mutter* Off-Topic more important that me huh *mutter*

    =)
     
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    this is a better fit in this section... good luck!!
     
  3. Clarity

    Clarity New Member

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    Thanks for the move, and sorry for not posting here.

    All questions solved, thank you google.

    Recap of config:

    Video Card-$569
    ATI 100-435805 Radeon X1900XTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
    # Model #: 100-435805
    # Item #: N82E16814195003

    Processor-$546.00
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Manchester 1GHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor - Retail
    # Model #: ADA4600BVBOX
    # Item #: N82E16819103545

    RAM-$122.00x2
    CORSAIR XMS 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory - Retailx2
    # Model #: CMX1024-3200C2
    # Item #: N82E16820145576

    Motherboard-Support AMD 64 X2, 184-Pin SDRAM, ATI 1900XTX

    Hard Drive-$46.00
    SAMSUNG SpinPoint P80SD HD040GJ 40GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    # Model #: HD040GJ
    # Item #: N82E16822152023

    PowerSupplyUnit-$89.99
    Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL - Retail
    # Model #: TPII-550
    # Item #: N82E16817103931

    Mouse-58.99
    Razer Copperhead Chaos RZ01-050300-R1M1 Black 7 Buttons 1x Wheel Gold plated USB 2000 DPI Laser Engine Gaming Mouse - Retail
    # Model #: RZ01-050300-R1M1
    # Item #: N82E16826153107

    Mousepad-$12.00
    Steel Pad QCK Mouse Pad - Retail
    # Model #: 20016
    # Item #: N82E16817114707

    Monitor- $0.00
    Current

    Case -$139.99
    Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
    # Model #: VA8000BWS
    # Item #: N82E16811133154

    Sound Card-$121.99
    Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
    # Model #: 70SB046000007
    # Item #: N82E16829102188

    1828.97

    My only problem left is the motherboard. It's hard to search on Newegg for a compatible motherboard. Will a crossfire Mobo work with a non-crossfire GPU? Will a nVidia nForce SLI setup work with a non-dual, ATI card? So confusing...
     
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  4. rpark

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    I don't believe any AMD chips support the DDR2.
     
  5. P07r0457

    P07r0457 New Member

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    I'm just not feeling that machine. I would shy away from ATi... Not to mention that RAM won't work. I don't care for that case or mouse. Check out the Logitech G5. That hard drive has me wondering "why?. Look into an Asus or MSI mobo. A8N SLI Deluxe, for example. Enermax or PCP&C for the PSU.
     
  6. Clarity

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    Double post, but only to clarify using the forum's natural separator. Afraid people will just skip over the config, it's fairly long.

    My only problem left is the motherboard. It's hard to search on Newegg for a compatible motherboard. Will a crossfire Mobo work with a non-crossfire GPU? Will a nVidia nForce SLI setup work with a non-dual, ATI card? So confusing...
     
  7. Clarity

    Clarity New Member

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    Yikes...I refreshed the page, but no posts showed...

    Thank you.

    I'm sticking with ATI, why dont the DDR400 PC3200 RAM work with the AMD 64 X2, and a friend recommended Razer, I'm sticking with it. Thank you for your help, I have a few questions. Again, very sorry the server didn't show your two posts.

    What's wrong with the hard drive? I want a nice 3GB/S SATA, and don't need too much space. Secondly, due to the server error, I had picked a PSU out. Is the current one fine? The reviews on NewEgg were positive, and Antec is a good brand. I'm still going to check those recommendations out.

    Checked up on Enermax, Antec is still better. Lower price (tiny bit), but over reviews better and more consistent. 237 reviews vs. 17 reviews on the same wattage =).






















    Okay, so to recap:

    1.Problem with harddrive?
    2.Motherboard should be <=$100.00, will the nVidia SLI/ATI Crossfire work with a non-dual GPU setup?
     
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  8. HardTech

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    You have a badass system with a 40GB hard drive? Why not go all out and get the 150GB Raptor? At least get the 74GB Raptor, it's a lot faster than the Spinpoint you listed.

    Also, you'd save money by getting an Opteron 170 and overclocking that to 4600+ levels, or even beyond if you invest in some decent cooling.

    I don't like Thermaltake, especially their cases, but that's subjective opinion. Personally, I'd rather get an Antec or even a Silverstone. Most Antec cases come with a power supply, so you'll save some money there.

    I'm also partial to Logitech for input devices, but again, that's subjective
     
  9. P07r0457

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    First of all, :rofl: to selecting a PSU based on wattage. Secondly, :rofl: to relying on newegg reviews, and lastly, :rofl: to believing antec is better than enermax.

    Ignorance is bliss. I'm trying to introduce you to my friend, reality, but if you're not interested, then feel free to get with what your "friend" and "newegg" tell you to buy.
     
  10. Clarity

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    I don't have much data. Oblivion, Counter-Strike Source+DOD Source, a few program installation executables, and 6.6 gigs of audio+video. I have a 30 GB iPod I stick it all on :rofl:.

    About overclocking the Operton I'm not comfortable with overclocking stuff. Sorry, It's really a strange thing for me, the chances of hardware getting damaged and losing a lot of money is horrible for me. I know, I know, performance would jump with it, but I still don't like the damage possibility. Better safe than sorry :hsd:

    I sowwy =P Tom's Hardware also agrees that the Razer is better. EIther way, mouse performance is nigh trivial :greddy:

    @HardTech
    I've looked through all the 3 choice's respective sites, and decided I'll shell out an extra 100 bucks for 3 more fans and a reliable power system.

    @jollyogre
    I took your word and chose the Enermax. :bigthumb:
    If it blows I'm going to kill you! J/k =D

    SO, at the end on only ONE day:

    Video Card-$569
    ATI 100-435805 Radeon X1900XTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
    # Model #: 100-435805
    # Item #: N82E16814195003

    Processor-$546.00
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Manchester 1GHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor - Retail
    # Model #: ADA4600BVBOX
    # Item #: N82E16819103545

    RAM-$122.00x2
    CORSAIR XMS 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory - Retailx2
    # Model #: CMX1024-3200C2
    # Item #: N82E16820145576

    Motherboard-$95.99
    ASUS A8R-MVP Socket 939 ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 CrossFire ATX AMD CrossFire Motherboard - Retail
    # Model #: A8R-MVP
    # Item #: N82E16813131584

    Hard Drive-$46.00
    SAMSUNG SpinPoint P80SD HD040GJ 40GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    # Model #: HD040GJ
    # Item #: N82E16822152023

    PowerSupplyUnit-$113.99
    ENERMAX EG565AX-VEFMA2.0-SLI ATX12V 535W Power Supply 90V~265V UL, cUL, TÜV, CB - Retail
    Model #: EG565AX-VE FMA 2.0 -
    Item #: N82E16817103462

    Mouse-58.99
    Razer Copperhead Chaos RZ01-050300-R1M1 Black 7 Buttons 1x Wheel Gold plated USB 2000 DPI Laser Engine Gaming Mouse - Retail
    # Model #: RZ01-050300-R1M1
    # Item #: N82E16826153107

    Mousepad-$12.00
    Steel Pad QCK Mouse Pad - Retail
    # Model #: 20016
    # Item #: N82E16817114707

    Monitor- $0.00
    Current

    Case -$139.99
    Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
    # Model #: VA8000BWS
    # Item #: N82E16811133154

    Sound Card-$121.99
    Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
    # Model #: 70SB046000007
    # Item #: N82E16829102188

    1947.95

    Not including the:

    Keyboard, CD-RW Drive, and Floppy Drive

    Maybe 7+30+7=44 dollars saved! CHA-CHING :naughty:

    Thanks alot to all the posters here, I'm not going to order for a while. I plan to work out every hardware conflict so it all runs smooth. AKA 8 hours of reading through details and sifting though them to match information up.







    I still have one immediate question. Will a mobo that requires a 24 pin connection to the PSU work with a PSU that has a 20+4 pin? The 20+4 pin sounds like it can adapt to 20 pin and 24 pin connections.
     
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  11. P07r0457

    P07r0457 New Member

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    I'm assuming that you're talking about "N82E16817103462" and yes, that does work in a 24-pin ATX mobo.
     
  12. Clarity

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    That's the one, and thank you for the answer =D

    Any other conflicts?

    I'm currently building a list of connections that I have verified to be compatible:

    PSU to:
    Motherboard through 20, 20+4, or 24 pin
    Video Card through 30 Amp 12 Volt Rail


    Video Card to:
    Motherboard through PCI-E x16
    Motherboard through 30 Amp 12 Volt Rail


    Hard Drive to:
    Motherboard through UNKNOWN, 3gb/s SATA connection


    Processor to:
    Motherboard through 939 pin socket


    Ram to:
    Motherboard though 184-pin


    Mouse to:
    Motherboard though PS/2 Port


    Sound Card to:
    Motherboard through PCI Slot


    Are there any other connections I've missed?
     
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    you should put a way bigger Hard Drive in there, if not multiple
     
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    mace i don't read

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    Samsung makes some of the quietest drives
     
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    P07r0457 New Member

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    seagate drives are very quiet, have a better warranty, perform better, and are more reliable.

    I'll take the seagate.
     
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    nicklovgren The only thing that really worried me was the ethe

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    i would save a lil money and get the AMD 64 X2 4400+, cuz it has more cache and you can easily over clock it to be as fast as that processor so it will be as fast with more cache and cheaper......imo

    and i've been using asus mobos in the puters i have been building and i just ordered an asus A8N5X nForce4 chipset but i hear alot of good stuff about MSI abit and DFI
     
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  18. Clarity

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    Thanks, I've got it in the config now =)


    Hmm, I see what you mean. The 4400 has 2 MB of cache, as opposed to the 4600's 1 MB. Tom's hardware have various CPU tests, and the Manchester 4600 has been better than the Toledo fairly consistently. However, I'm pretty sure the Toledo will perform better than the 4600 when overclocked. Then comes my fear of overclocking slightly irrational, but completely warranted :hsd:

    Also, wouldn't I have to spend 50+ dollars for sufficient cooling for the OC'ed Toledo? So I save 50 dollars, and I think break warranty.
     
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    Please don't buy a CPU based on what Toms Hardware says...
     
  20. Clarity

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    I am done.

    Video Card-$569
    ATI 100-435805 Radeon X1900XTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
    # Model #: 100-435805
    # Item #: N82E16814195003
    Register at www.ati.com/customercare/registration within 30 days of purchase for a 3 year warranty

    Processor-$546.00
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Manchester 1GHz HT 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor - Retail
    # Model #: ADA4600BVBOX
    # Item #: N82E16819103545
    Manufacturer Warranty - 3 years

    RAM-$234.00
    CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail
    Model #: TWINX2048-3200C2PRO
    Item #: N82E16820145587
    Manufacturer Warranty - Lifetime

    Motherboard-$56.99
    ASUS A8V-MX Socket 939 VIA K8M800 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
    Model #: A8V-MX
    Item #: N82E16813131558
    Manufacturer Warranty - Three Years

    Hard Drive-$51.00
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 ST3808110AS 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    Model #: ST3808110AS
    Item #: N82E16822148107
    Manufacturer Warranty - 5 years

    PowerSupplyUnit-$113.99
    ENERMAX EG565AX-VEFMA2.0-SLI ATX12V 535W Power Supply 90V~265V UL, cUL, TÜV, CB - Retail
    Model #: EG565AX-VE FMA 2.0 -
    Item #: N82E16817103462
    Manufacturer - 1 year

    Mouse-58.99
    Razer Copperhead Chaos RZ01-050300-R1M1 Black 7 Buttons 1x Wheel Gold plated USB 2000 DPI Laser Engine Gaming Mouse - Retail
    # Model #: RZ01-050300-R1M1
    # Item #: N82E16826153107
    Manufacturer Warranty - 2 years

    Mousepad-$12.00
    Steel Pad QCK Mouse Pad - Retail
    # Model #: 20016
    # Item #: N82E16817114707
    No Warranty

    Monitor- $0.00
    Current

    Case -$139.99
    Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum/Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
    # Model #: VA8000BWS
    # Item #: N82E16811133154
    Manufacturer Warranty - Two Years (ZipZoomFly)

    Sound Card-$121.99
    Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
    # Model #: 70SB046000007
    # Item #: N82E16829102188
    Creative Labs Warranty - One Year

    1903.95
     
  21. Clarity

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    Again, with the slow post showing, wtf. probably becuase of the Off-Topic traffic.

    Anyways, they are about the same, and I just don't want to overclock. Bah.

    Does any one see and hardware conflicts?
     
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  22. P07r0457

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    you are the only one that complains of slow post showing... in fact, posts show up instantly, except in on-topic, or a few other controlled forums.
     
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    mace i don't read

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    Why do you need a mousepad? You have a laser mouse
     
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    Always go Nvidia brother
     
  25. nicklovgren

    nicklovgren The only thing that really worried me was the ethe

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    what's wrong with tom's hardware may i ask?
     

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