Building a decent gaming rig...need help/feedback

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  1. Holliday

    Holliday New Member

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    Ok I'm a total noob at this stuff, but I'm attempting to build a gaming desktop and it's my first time. I'm trying to keep the costs below $1500 but it keeps creeping up on me.

    Here's what I got so far:

    Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037&Tpk=e8400

    Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050

    Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145034

    Computer case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129021

    Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148288

    Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143119

    Power Supply: http://www.provantage.com/antec-tp3-650%7E7ANTS02L.htm

    DVD burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106228

    Cooling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118020

    Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009102

    OS (not sure about this one; the versions confuse me): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116200

    Total:$1442

    How does this look? Any money saving tips? Do I need anything else besides what is listed here?
     
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  2. Doomsday

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    consider an E8400
    good mobo
    good ram
    ugly case
    get Seagate 7200.11
    good vid card
    psu sucks
    it's a dvd burner, lite-on is fine
    great cooler,... green LED vs the blue LEDs of the Antec 900?
    19" :greddy:
    wrong link on OS
     
  3. Holliday

    Holliday New Member

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    All my selections were based off someone else's picks, so I can't argue in support of them. Can you go into a little detail as to why you think I should get Seagate or why you think the psu sucks? Oh and why the E8400? And if you can find a bigger monitor for around the same price I will buy it.

    Oh and the link to the OS is fixed.
     
  4. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Pretty much what Doom is telling you, Seagate 11 series. $120 shipped - 500gb 32mb cache.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148288

    I like the Antec True Power Trio's, http://www.provantage.com/antec-tp3-650~7ANTS02L.htm

    I like the case

    :werd: on the E8400 - mild overclocking and it will smoke just about anything. $220 shipped.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037&Tpk=e8400
    Take the money you'll save from the Q6600 price, and put it into a 22" LCD.



    22" LCD $245 shipped
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009102


    You started out with a pretty tight list for a noob.

    :cool:

    edit*
    Oh, and if it were me I would stick with XP Pro, unless you are seriously in need of Vista for some reason.
     
  5. etech

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    Processor

    E8400, by the time games really need the quad cores there will be faster ones out for less money, get the E8400 and over clock it to around 4 ghz.

    Motherboard
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050
    GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R
    Save some money, the P35 will do you until your next upgrade.

    Memory, look for something that doesn't require 2.1v to run at 800mhz.

    Case, I have the Antec 900, cool and actually pretty quiet, pain to change out hard drives though.

    Hard drive, I'd spend a little more and get the WD 7500AAKS. There's a difference between the 750g and smaller hard drives. The 750g is faster and quiet.


    Video card
    EVGA 512-P3-N801-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318

    Almost as fast, a lot cheaper and you can use the 90 day step up program if the 9800 series is a lot better.

    I'd look at spending more on your monitor, that's one thing you will keep through your next couple of upgrades.
    http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206&enterthread=y
     
  6. Holliday

    Holliday New Member

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    ok list is updated with what you just gave me.....I made all the changes you suggested except for the OS. I was going to just do XP pro but heard from someone else that vista 64 bit is the way to go if you're gaming. That and it will save me the time of upgrading later when they make it more stable.
     
  7. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Well I don't do gaming, so the 64 bit issue is moot to me.
    That's even if it helps, which i'm not so sure about.

    But the rest of the stuff is tight, and will be badass for sure.
     
  8. Doomsday

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    As of right now, duos for gaming, quads for video.
    Seagate 7200.11 has 32mb cache for just a little more money.
    I hate Antec. They use cheap parts. Consider Corsair's 620HX or 520HX. Those have modular cabling.

    As for the OS,... to my knowledge,... the only advantage of Vista for games is DirectX 10. Microsoft wants DX10 to be Vista exclusive.
    Though note that there are a bunch of people working on a hack to make DX10 compatible with non-Vista systems.
     
  9. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Yeah, the Seagate is freakish fast, too. Beats the Raptors out on a lot of benchmarks.

    I still stand by the Antec Trio's though, especially since this guy recommends them.

    http://www.jonnyguru.com//forums/showthread.php?t=1460

    But no doubt, the Corsari's are superb.
     
  10. Holliday

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    switching my mobo and hard drives with the ones you suggested would save me a little money actually. Would upgrading to the WD7500AAKS hard drive be worth downgrading my mobo to the one you suggested?
     
  11. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    The hard drive is everything that your computer is.

    Best to go with the best, which is Seagate. And the new 32mb drives are crazy fast.
    Plus they come with a 5 year warranty.


    The motherboard he suggested would work fine. That particular board is solid.
    No firewire though. If you don't need firewire, then yeah why not. Save yourself $75 at the same time.
     
  12. Holliday

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    Shit, with so many dissenting opinions it's very hard to make decisions...
     
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    sk0rcher The universe is watching

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    Get an 8800GT
     
  14. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    The only difference of opinion is the power supply.

    But JohnnyGuru's website tests them better than probably any other domestic site.

    If it's on that list I linked, then you can trust it.

    The Corsair is definitely better though, if you don't mind paying the extra bucks.

    I'm only recommending the Antec because of budget.

    The Corsair is the better of the two though.


    As far as the Western Digital hard drive, it's not in the same league as the new Seagate 32mb drives.
     
  15. Holliday

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    as far as the memory goes....I was told to buy 2 sets of the ones I have listed for a total of 4GB. Does that sound reasonable?

    The list is updated correctly now. For some reason my copy/paste skills have sucked for the past hours. Should be fixed now.
     
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    You can't go vista 64bit with that little ram, you can game fine on xp with 2gig but vista alone basically requires 2gig, 4 is a way better ballpark if you want to game.
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    With Vista 64bit? I suppose you could do that.

    Vista does make use of more memory than XP does.

    But I just don't think that build will ever require it.
     
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    OK last thing. Some of you are saying go with the 8800GT instead of the GTS. It would save me about 80$, but how substantial is the drop in performance?
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    The 8800GT is really fast.

    You're not losing that much.

    http://www.techspot.com/review/79-geforce-8800-gts-512/

    Scroll down a bit for the direct links to each benchmark.
     
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    for the extra $80,.. the 8800GTS is a bit faster and has better cooling than the 8800GT.
    to me, it's worth it.
     
  21. Holliday

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    Just read the final thoughts of that article and it convinced me to stay with the GTS. For a second there I was about to change to the GT.

    Nice find though.
     
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    Doc,

    Read this

    http://techreport.com/articles.x/13440/1
     
  23. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Well that drive is for sure faster than I expected for the 16mb cache.

    The Toms hardware guide is a bit cleaner of a layout as far as comparing any two drives. Unfortunately you can only compare the 750gb wd drive to the 1tb seagate, as the 1tb wd isn't tested in there yet.

    But the seagate bests the wd almost across the board.
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage.html?modelx=33&model1=850&model2=1049&chart=32

    What I find most interesting, is that the samsung spinpoint drive beats everything out there.

    I wonder how well those could be expected to hold up?

    :noes:
     
  24. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Another interesting thing, is that the Tech report shows the average read and write going to the seagates. But Tom's hardware shows it going to the Samsung spinpoints by a good margin.

    I've found both sites to be fairly reliable, and I wonder what's going on with the differences.
     
  25. etech

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    Doc, a few points.

    Cache doesn't really affect the speed of a harddrive that much.

    The WD7500AAKS wins in the price/performance and price/gigabyte charts.

    The Seagate 7200.11 1 TB drive goes for around $300. The 7500AAKS for around $160.
     

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