Broly Crew: I seek your guidance.

Discussion in 'Fitness & Nutrition' started by Jay Pheezy, Jul 27, 2008.

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  1. Jay Pheezy

    Jay Pheezy New Member

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    I stand at 5'10" 185lbs right now which I suppose is a average height/weight combo except for the fact I have a terrible bf% (some where over 20% :coolugh:.) So obviously, it's time for me to make some changes. So I've taken up training again and transitioning into a better diet.

    I've done some Googling on the matter and have come to some conclusions in terms of training based on all the reading.

    1. It's preferred for me to have an upper or lower day as opposed to chest/tri day, back/bi day, etc.
    2. I should limit cardio to about 15 minutes after weight training because if I go heavy on cardio I'm only going to be reversing some of the work I've done.

    So what I'm asking is- are my conclusions on the right track or am I just way off? Also, are any supplements recommended for my specific situation?

    And lastly, I know some training programs will stress 10-12 reps while others shoot for 6-8 reps. I believe the difference is more reps, less weight=toning while less reps, more weight=building? Which one should I be going for in the beginning :dunno:

    So I guess my ultimate goal in the end is to be in nice fit shape with maybe 10-20 more pounds of muscle. I don't have to be mega ripped but I'm willing to put in the time to reach my goal.

    That's all :hsd:
     
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    PlutoBHG New Member

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    im no pro or anything but that combined with the right caloric intake, wether supplemeneted or not, will work fine. it might take longer to see results since youll be burning fat and building muscle at the same time...
     
  3. b21bballer

    b21bballer Active Member

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    Don't worry, you won't be mega ripped.
     
  4. xSteveO

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    You're in a conflicting situation, you aren't going to gain much muscle while trying to lose weight. Decide which route you want to go and then start working at it. Don't be in a mixed situation like half the people on here who want to be ripped, then decide to start bulking two weeks later. The way you train is the least important, the most important factor is the effort you put into it, so decide what works for you. Eating sufficient, good clean foods, and a good amount of rest will all help you achieve your goal. You're looking for an answer and everyone will say something different, that's because there is no right way to do any of this shit. Lift 3-5 days a week, do cardio 2-3 days a week and don't half ass it, give it everything you've got, and the results will come. You don't need any of those fancy supplements out there. Stick with the basic multivitamin, whey, and fish oil along with a good, clean diet and you'd be amazed at what can happen.
     
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    dude, he's over 20% and from his post hasn't started lifting yet. It will be very easy for him to cut BF and gain muscle at the same time as long as his diet is in check.
     
  6. xSteveO

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    alright, continue on being another average 15% bodyfat gym goer who hardly even makes any progress becuase they can't make up their mind on what they want to do
     
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    most people don't make progress because they aren't consistent with their training/diet. I'm not sure about you or him, but gaining strength(muscle) and cutting fat only conflict at less than 10% for me. IMO, the idea that these are conflicting goals is just a myth till a certain point, which he is nowhere near. Most people aren't aware of what their bodies are capable of b/c they don't eat right or train hard enough.
     
  8. xSteveO

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    there we have it
     
  9. Perkwunos

    Perkwunos Dog Bones OT Supporter

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    Training advice like that is piss poor, ad retarded, there are no absolutes in training for the most part. You can not tell a person this one method will definitely work for you. However, Most everyone can build a workout around squat, bench press and deadlift, and most everyone does, and sees good results with this.

    You sound to me like you are skinny fat, what you need to do is get rid of allot of the BF, and just get skinny, then work on getting bigger/stronger. Diet will be most important for you during the fat loss part of this, and should be what you are most disciplined about.
     
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    I second this...just ask y1997 about my training, it's the most unorthodox (in magazine/article sense) workout ever. I hardly keep set of reps or sets, just go by how my body feels.

    Before someone goes hating on me, it's been working fine for me:o
     
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    why are you suggesting he cut first, then start bulking? why not go straight to bulking?
     
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    july23rd1989 Blood for Lube

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    because bulking to 30%+ body fat would be... McDonald's kid type bulk
     
  13. Perkwunos

    Perkwunos Dog Bones OT Supporter

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    Personal experience tells me looking like ass/being fat sucks, get rid of a substantial amount of body fat first then go into getting bigger and doing it intelligently.
     
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    weird, i had always assumed from reading various posts on these forums, as well as others, that bulking first would be the way to go for a skinny-fat person. wouldn't lifting hard, combined with a clean diet keep the fat gain minimal while increasing muscle? the increased lbm would help to increase metabolism and make future cutting even easier?

    :confused:
     
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    PianoProdigy Better than most at most things OT Supporter

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    Go to the gym, move weight, clean up your diet and you'll amazed how you'll look in 6 months or less.

    I was exactly in your position before I started (skinny-fat, 5'10", 185 lbs).
     
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    fuck i cant imagine being 185 at 5'10. thats fat/chubby, not skinnyfat.

    i was skinnyfat at 150 when i started.
     
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    Thanks for all the advice peeps, I took note of everything. I had a feeling there would be no absolutes since I guess everyone has their own way to go about it. After posting this last night and going to bed the question came into my head- should I be losing the fat first then building muscle or be doing both at the same time. It seems like there was some disagreement on that question but the input was good. I'll continue to research it.

    Yeah I'm pretty much "skinny fat". My ex-gf explained that term to me back when I was 170 or so. Then I went off to college and pretty much finsihed off my first year with and extra freshman 15 :hsugh:

    PianoProdigy since we were identical height/wight at a point and if you don't mind answering some questions: What route did you take when you first started? In other words- did you try to lose the fat, then build muscle, or do both at the same time? Can you dish out some diet advice that helped you when you started? Where are you at now?

    Thanks to everyone else who pitched in.

    p.s. I said I don't want to be mega ripped because I know that's a lofty goal that would probably take at least a year or two to even get close to. So for now I'm trying to take it one step at a time.
     
  18. Perkwunos

    Perkwunos Dog Bones OT Supporter

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    Well, the people telling you to loose the fat first are the bigest/strongest/most experienced, so take that into account...
     
  19. Casino

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    The most important thing is to have a low calorie, high protein diet. Do cardio in the morning and run as long as you can. Lift heavy at night. Drink low calorie protein shakes and consume a lot of BCAA's. You can also get a fat loss supplement like REDuction or something similar to assist you.
     
  20. y1997

    y1997 Made in the U.S.S.R.

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    No such thing as toning, you can only lose fat over the muscle through a caloric deficit. Higher volume routines (8-15 reps) are usually geared more toward size while low rep routines (3-5 reps per set) are usually more for strength. You will get stronger and bigger if you do either, however.
     
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