WEB Blackhat SEO....worth it to take a risk or gonna get caught in the end anyways?

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  1. pharmokan

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    ive come across durkas on seo forums pushing links on sites with 10 page rank

    makes you wonder if google really scares you into not doing blackhat seo but in reality its really hard for their bots to catch it...

    anyone have experience with blackhat and gotten away with it?
     
  2. kingtoad

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    Check with Yahdude. I know he's been successful using Blackhat techniques.
     
  3. Cojones

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    :werd:

    His sytem is LEGIT.
     
  4. pharmokan

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    you guys try to implement his system on your site or u dont wanna take the risk
     
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    Many of us prefer to utilize whitehat tactics. Others prefer not to.
     
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    thats like saying "many of us want to earn a good, ernest living"
    :hsugh:
     
  7. kingtoad

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    I guess if you have no clue what you're doing, yeah.
     
  8. pharmokan

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    white hat seo is so tedious and boring

    and i dont feel like dealing with indians.

    they're clingy
     
  9. kingtoad

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    Depends, really... And it's highly situational.

    I'd say if you're working with Indians, you won't have a successful result regardless.
     
  10. pharmokan

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    highly situational subjects << precise developmental subjects
     
  11. Yahdude

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    You don't get caught if you're doing it right.

    Yes.

    Before the swarm of PM's...it's completely dependant on what you're trying to do and how you go about it. There's a lot of definitions of 'blackhat' linkbuilding/sitebuilding/sitecloaking/linkcloaking/cookiestuffing/BH on page seo methods/bh off page seo methods.

    Most of what the 'whitehat' people consider blackhat isn't really, it's just smarter ways to do what they spend weeks doing. If your durkas were talking about link building it's most likely just automated link building instead of doing it one by one by hand.
     
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    i didnt see this post before i PMed you, so my bad :(
     
  13. pharmokan

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    obviously the most effective method would be the one that carries with it the most risk.

    out of the ones you mentioned, which juan would you say that is? and the results you get from it?
     
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    No, he's right. I chose blackhat methods but I assure you I work just as hard for the same amount of money...with more risk. I lost 90% of my traffic this week, I bet these guys didn't...

    Don't think blackhat methods = easy, far from it. I'd far as far to say that being successful with blackhat methods is MORE difficult than the same in the WH world.
     
  15. pharmokan

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    sandboxed?

    whats the point of blackhat if its not a shortcut way of doing whitehat? wheres the need to join the darkside if theres no incentive?
     
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    Are you going to build links for a living?

    It's not about which has the most risk associated with it, you should be asking what helps YOU in YOUR situation the most.

    If you're starting out with nothing, zero zilch...don't touch black hat stuff until you're making a full time living with your web stuff. At that point you'll know exactly what holes you have in your game and then you can look into some BH methods to fill them if that's what floats your boat.

    For the record, had I invested the same amount of time and money I have in BH for WH instead I would be making just as much if not more money, with more dependability because my entire income depends on my blackhat methods instead of supplementing 'legit' sites/businesses with blackhat stuff.
     
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    They don't let me play in the sandbox, I don't play well with others.
     
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    Again, highly situational. If you're working with a product that you want success with then the risk isn't worth the gain. A lot of people focus on long term goals with their products rather than a quick short term.

    I'm not going to market a legit web app. I wrote using blackhat methods.
     
  19. pharmokan

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    a lot of people also focus on why their website isnt on the first page of google the first day of launch
     
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    Depends what you need to do. There are incentives, but they depend on the actual method and what you're trying to do with it.

    Take Xrumer for example, people mostly associate it with massive blind spamming of forums with spammy ass posts and links. It can also be used to SLOWLY build TARGETED links at selected forums, it can be used to send out mass pm's on forums marketing affiliate products or services, or the classic spam 30k links a day.

    If you're trying to rank really high really fast for a specific keyword go ahead and spam 30k links a day, obviously you're going to have a hard time doing that with WH methods...but obviously there's going to be some drawbacks of doing that as well.
     
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    Because they should have been legitimately promoting the site for months beforehand to make sure it was.
     
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    I sure as hell would lol. :naughty:

    Now to just get some legit projects to market :noes:
     
  23. pharmokan

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    FUCK SEO

    god i fucking hate SEO


    but theres a lot of money in that shit
     
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    pretty sure 'durkas' are the only ones that refer to 'it' as SEO still... (there's a lot more to the game than just SEO these days, and search engines are far from the only game in town anymore)

    and there's lots of money in any 'shit' that you're passionate about, and don't hate.

    find me examples of wealthy people doing something they hate, i bet you have a hard time, and i assure you they are outliers.
     
  25. pharmokan

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    im at a wits end trying to convince every fucking client that an architect does not sell a house, the realtor does. but their ignorance is forcing me to get into a completely different field that i dont really much care for
     

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