Black Boxes for cable tv?

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  1. cassetti

    cassetti New Member

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    Ok - i'm just curious - havn't heard much of anything on them anymore - i know you can get free cable from sattellite - just by using cracked cards and crap - and i know you can do stuff with your digital cable box (or i think you can)

    but what about those of us college kids who have a hose near campus - and don't like having to pay $40 a month for 'standard' cable' on top of basic cable - just to get 2 or 3 channels that he actually watches!!!!


    any idea about if they still do work?
     
  2. pookrat

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    Other than it being illegal, it really isn't possible nowadays. The Big Providers have all caught on.

    Cable - "Black Boxes" used to work fine using an oscilating frequency system to filter out added line noise that the provider put in line for certain blocks of channels. You would still have to have basic service, they would just filter out the noise that was added to all the premium channels that you couldn't watch. Today, it isn't that easy. Most cable systems are digital (not talking about HDTV). They no longer add line noise to block channels but rather "encrypt" the channels you are not paying for. The Box the cable company gives subscribers that get premium channels "de-crypts" these channels. This also means that the methods are going to be different per cable company also. So really not even feasible.

    Sat - Used to be able to hack. There were illegal services that would provide BIN files that contained the Hashes necessary to decrypt the signals from the different transponders on the satelites. Of course you would need unregistered cards and hardware to flash them with. The orignal DTV signal was called the "H" signal. After hackers figured out how to hack this signal, DTV came up with a more secure system they called "HU". It had better encryption and software. A few months after they migrated everyone over to HU cards, they turned off the transponder for H signals to stop the theifs. No data down means nothing to receive. Then of course they broke the code for the HU system. DTV took aother approach for the "bad guys" this time around. They sued everyone they could catch stealing the signal. Worked rather well. But they could never catch everyone. So they came out with the new/current "P4" system. Migrating all subscribers from HU to P4 took much longer. P4 was much more secure. After some time, they finally migrated enough people over to shut of the HU transponders. Voila. No more signal theifs. Hard to steal some service that is no longer offered. The hackers stil have not cracked the P4 cards. All they can get is audio on some channels. Even if they do, you will have to find a new unregistered P4 card and a new "flasher". And DTV is watching every purchase on the web to keep their lawyers busy. So basically the days of stealing DTV are gone. DishNetwork is still possible but much more complicated and I'm not even going to try to explain that one.

    Seems like the companies are finally getting ahead of the bad guys.

    Phew that was alot of typing.

    Hope this helps to explain.
     
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  3. cassetti

    cassetti New Member

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    yeah - i just realized about premium vs not

    what about if someone had access to a digital cable box? might there be ways to hack it?

    i know its illegal - but i'm just curious....
     
  4. EuGeNiLe

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    pookrat.. great explanation.. i was curious about those things and u gave me an idea.. oh well its too bad.. i mean as long as they offer good service ill pay.. what im interested in is the HD stuff..
     
  5. xxxgames12

    xxxgames12 Guest

    umm... I've changed around the little cirlcly things ("filters" i think) in my cable box before and got the porn channels.

    had to change it back though because if my parents saw the porn channels the would go totally physico on me! lol
     

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