MMA BJJ Crew...Guillotine choke and other dude stacks

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  1. rtzcom

    rtzcom bon wons! fight slepa for life sone!~

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    Rolled today and this small dude tried countering my guillotine from the guard by stacking. I didn't sink in the guillotine completely because I wanted to see what he was trying to do and if it works. I assumed he wanted to try to stack and choke me with his shoulder on my neck. Never really saw it come into play because thhe bell rang when he was working it.

    Is this the proper way to counter a guillotine? If he does stack, what could be done to keep the guillotine? I was thinking off going into half guard and crank from there, or push his hips down and put him back into full guard.
     
  2. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    its a great way to stop a guillotine. you stack the person, and one hand goes on your opponents wrist. the other goes around his neck with your shoulder pressing into his throat. it's a very basic and effective counter to the guillotine
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    i usually bail out and try something else if he has countered my technique
     
  4. rtzcom

    rtzcom bon wons! fight slepa for life sone!~

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    I'm familiar with the same counter for a triangle, but never really knew that it could be used for guillotines as well.

    So if he manages to stack, best thing to do is just to abort?

    Closest move that I could see doing from there would be a headlock / d'arce since all I have to do reposition my arms and sit on my butt....right?
     
  5. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    stacking is a noobish and sucky counter to a triangle.

    usually if someone counters your guillotine youre going to have a pretty good idea if you can finish it or not. if you cant, then dont waste your energy, and bail.

    if hes inside your guard, how are you going to darce him? just let it go and do something else. if he had time to counter it, it probably wasnt sunk well to begin with..
     
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    i like to do my guillotine different so it kinda negates the stacking. Instead of having your wrist blade under his throat, use your tumb and kinda flex it and have the other hand pushing on the bottom of it. Very tight.
     
  7. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    yeah five or ten finger guillotine. thats becoming the more popular way to do them.
     
  8. FloppyCock

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    Von Flue does this, and it is brutal. The only time I've ever gone out completely was when he did this to me.

    If you can get good at that, you can surprise the hell out of people.
     
  9. Redneck Shinobi

    Redneck Shinobi Well Jules, the funny thing about my back is that

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    LOL that's how I do it. It makes it hurt a shit load more.
     
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    I'd say the guillotine is the submission I'm most comfortable with. The way to apply pressure correctly is to not extend the guy's body in your guard, but to pull him in (like you're doing a crunch) and start folding his head towards his stomach, while trying to bring your elbow closest to his neck down to your own stomach (in a twisting motion).
     
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    it seems like that, but it is the best way to apply pressure to make it choke. The stretching out method is what some newer people do which makes the pressure more like a neck crank where your trying to pull the guy's head off.
     
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    If you watch joe stevenson against mishima, and his last opponent before kenflo, you can see he pulls the guy in.
     
  13. Redneck Shinobi

    Redneck Shinobi Well Jules, the funny thing about my back is that

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    I like to flatten the guy out if I'm trying to sweep him with the guillotine.
     
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    Actually something I noticed was that a lot of guys actually voluntarily plop to their back (so their mounted) to reduce the pressure of the guillotine when we roll. It actually sometimes gets them out too
     
  15. Redneck Shinobi

    Redneck Shinobi Well Jules, the funny thing about my back is that

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    Yeah that's usually the case, but I usually do that to the ones that don't just roll to their back. I usually let go of it at that point and usually working something else.
     
  16. VulgarTheClown

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    there is a darce/anaconda like guillotine. Jz used it alot.
     
  17. VulgarTheClown

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    Was the guillotine sunk under the chin? If so open you guard keeping the leg on the same side as his head over his back foot hammered and leg flexed, with the other foot put it on his hip and lift yourself off the ground angling to your elbow on the guillotine arm. Pinch your elbow to your body, push your hip and pull the guillotine.
     
  18. rtzcom

    rtzcom bon wons! fight slepa for life sone!~

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    my wrist was under his chin, but I didn't crank it in because I noticed him stacking and I wanted to see what he was up to.

    Brolli, I'll try the crunching movement instead of stretching out.

    Ben, I can't quite picture what you mean particularly with the leg on the same side of his head. Do you mean keep it hooked or just plant my foot on top of his foot?
     
  19. VulgarTheClown

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    The leg on the same side as his head is left over his back with your foot hammered (keeping tension in the calf taking away room) and squeezing him in (taking away yet again more room)

    The other foot (say his head is under your right arm so your right foot is over his back) the left foot would go to his right hip (being on your left side) and you would use that to push toward your right elbow.
     
  20. rtzcom

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    that's clearer....thanks ben
     
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  22. Maestro Nobones

    Maestro Nobones Great Job! - GLAD DADS CREW

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    ben if you would type all your instructional posts like this instead of the gibberish jiu jitsu shorthand that you usually post in a lot more people could learn a lot more stuff from ya :cool:
     
  23. Redneck Shinobi

    Redneck Shinobi Well Jules, the funny thing about my back is that

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    Yeah that second one made a lot more sense then the previous post. I could actually get an idea of what he meant and I'm gonna try it next time.
     
  24. rtzcom

    rtzcom bon wons! fight slepa for life sone!~

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    marcelo garcia doing a sick modified choke:

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  25. chechen

    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    ahh yeah.. marcelo developed some really good guillotines. that one is on jake shields.. i was there for that!
     

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