GUN Bill to ban ammo in Il.

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  1. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/95/HB/09500HB4259.htm
    Well not really to ban it but by doing this it would pretty much be banned noones going to make serialized ammo for Il.


    95TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
    State of Illinois
    2007 and 2008
    HB4259


    Introduced , by Rep. William Davis


    SYNOPSIS AS INTRODUCED:

    New Act

    Creates the Ammunition Accountability Act. Provides that all firearm ammunition manufactured or sold in the State of Illinois on or after January 1, 2010 shall be coded by the manufacturer. Provides that effective January 1, 2011, all firearm ammunition used within the State of Illinois shall be coded by the manufacturer. Provides that on or after January 1, 2011, a person in possession of non-coded ammunition that was manufactured prior to January 1, 2010, may transfer the same only to an heir, to an individual residing in another state maintaining the ammunition in another state, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer. Provides that the Department of State Police shall be responsible for establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding System Database (ACSD) containing specified information. Establishes penalties and exemptions.


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    CORRECTIONAL BUDGET AND IMPACT NOTE ACT MAY APPLY

    FISCAL NOTE ACT MAY APPLY




    A BILL FOR


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    1 AN ACT concerning ammunition.

    2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
    3 represented in the General Assembly:

    4 Section 1. Short title. This Act may be cited as the
    5 Ammunition Accountability Act.

    6 Section 5. Definitions. For purposes of this Act:
    7 (a) "Coded" and "coded ammunition" mean a bullet carrying a
    8 unique identifier that has been applied by etching the same
    9 onto the base of the bullet.
    10 (b) "Firearm ammunition" shall have the meaning provided in
    11 Section 1.1 of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act,
    12 except that it shall not include shotgun shells or ammunition
    13 designed to be used in muzzle-loading "black powder" firearms.

    14 Section 10. Prohibition on sale, manufacture, or use of
    15 non-coded ammunition.
    16 (a) All firearm ammunition manufactured or sold in the
    17 State of Illinois on or after January 1, 2010 shall be coded by
    18 the manufacturer.
    19 (b) Effective January 1, 2011, all firearm ammunition used
    20 within the State of Illinois shall be coded by the
    21 manufacturer.
    22 (c) On or after January 1, 2011, a person in possession of




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    1 non-coded ammunition that was manufactured prior to January 1,
    2 2010, may transfer the same only to an heir, to an individual
    3 residing in another state maintaining the ammunition in another
    4 state, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer.
    5 (d) This Section does not apply to any memorabilia or
    6 display item that is filled with a permanent inert substance or
    7 that is otherwise permanently altered in a manner that prevents
    8 ready modification for use as live ammunition.

    9 Section 15. Authority to establish an Ammunition Coding
    10 System Database.
    11 (a) The Department of State Police shall be responsible for
    12 establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding System
    13 Database (ACSD) containing the following information:
    14 (1) Manufacturer registry. The manufacturers shall:
    15 (i) register with the Department of State Police in a
    16 manner prescribed by the Department through rule; and (ii)
    17 maintain records on the business premises for a period of
    18 seven years concerning all sales, loans, and transfers of
    19 ammunition, to, from, or within the State.
    20 (2) Vendor registry. The vendors shall:
    21 (A) register with Department of State Police in a
    22 manner prescribed by the Department through rule;
    23 (B) record the following information in a format
    24 prescribed by rule by the Department of State Police:
    25 (i) the date of the transaction; (ii) the name of the




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    1 transferee; (iii) the purchaser's driver's license
    2 number or other government issued identification card
    3 number; (iv) the date of birth of the purchaser; (v)
    4 the unique identifier of all ammunition; and (vi) such
    5 other information as the Department of State Police may
    6 by rule prescribe; and
    7 (C) maintain records on the business premises for a
    8 period of 3 years from the date of the recorded
    9 purchase.
    10 (b) To the greatest extent possible or practical, the ACSD
    11 shall be built within the framework of existing firearms
    12 databases. The ACSD shall be operational no later than January
    13 1, 2010.
    14 (c) Privacy of individuals is of the utmost importance.
    15 Access to information in the ACSD is reserved for law
    16 enforcement personnel and to be released only in connection
    17 with a criminal investigation.

    18 Section 20. Penalties.
    19 (a) Any vendor that knowingly fails to comply with this
    20 Act, or who knowingly falsifies the records required to be kept
    21 under this Act, is guilty of a Class 4 felony and is subject to
    22 a fine of $2,500 for each violation. Each retail package of
    23 ammunition sold in violation of this Act shall be deemed a
    24 separate violation.
    25 (b) Any manufacturer that knowingly fails to comply with




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    1 the requirement of this Act is guilty of a business offense,
    2 and is subject to a fine of $5,000 for a first violation and
    3 for a second violation is guilty of a business offense and is
    4 subject to a fine of $10,000, and for a third or subsequent
    5 violation is guilty of a business offense and is subject to a
    6 fine of $25,000. Each wholesale package manufactured in
    7 violation of this Act shall be deemed a separate violation.
    8 (c) Any person who knowingly destroys, obliterates, or
    9 otherwise renders unreadable, the serialization required
    10 pursuant to this Act, on any bullet or assembled ammunition, is
    11 guilty of a Class 4 felony and is subject to a fine of $2,500.
    12 This subsection (c) shall not apply to any person who destroys,
    13 obliterates, or otherwise renders unreadable, the
    14 serialization required hereunder in the process of filling
    15 ammunition with a permanent inert substance or otherwise
    16 permanently altering it in a manner that prevents ready
    17 modification for use as live ammunition.
     
  2. Jinkle

    Jinkle Habs/Vikings > *

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    That is horribly gay... what the fuck is wrong with IL?
     
  3. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    It's Obama's home state, its what you can expect for the rest of the country if the democrats win.
     
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    so does this just apply to fully assembled ammunition such as WWB or does it apply to reloaders too, since it seems that you can transfer non-coded ammunition if it has been made inert or not readily converted for use, that an empty piece of brass, a primer, gun powder and a bullet are not readily assembled into live ammunition without proper tools and knowledge.
     
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    Emfuser Nuclear Moderator Super Moderator

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    It's amazing to me how the anti-gunners just don't give up. They're trying every angle they can to get guns banned or effectively banned. What's really sad is that they are in resolute denial about the effectiveness of such measures. The US hasn't ever seen any reductions in crime from gun bans or other such legislation.
     
  6. Soybomb

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    We also have a concealed carry bill in the pipes
    http://ilga.gov/legislation/billsta...9&GA=95&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=35172&SessionID=51
    Bill Status of HB4544 95th General Assembly

    Synopsis As Introduced
    Creates the Family and Personal Protection Act. Establishes statewide uniform standards for the issuance of permits to carry concealed firearms in this State. Vests in the county sheriff the authority to issue concealed firearms permits to qualified applicants. Requires an applicant to complete a training course in handgun use, safety, and marksmanship. Also requires instruction in the law relating to firearm use. Requires an applicant to be at least 21 years of age. Prohibits an applicant who has been convicted of a felony or has a history of mental illness, addiction, or habitual alcohol use from obtaining a permit. Creates the Citizen Safety and Self-Defense Trust Fund in each county, to be administered by the sheriff. Provides that the moneys in the Fund shall be used to administer the Act. Establishes restrictions on carrying concealed firearms. Establishes standards for the training course and for certifying instructors. Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that the Family and Personal Protection Act supersedes an ordinance of a unit of local government inconsistent with that Act. Prohibits a home rule unit from regulating the issuance of permits to carry concealed firearms. Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Exempts from an unlawful use of weapons and aggravated unlawful use of weapons violation persons who carry or possess firearms in accordance with the Family and Personal Protection Act. Effective immediately.


    Neither will pass of course.

    Here's the bio for the author of the ammo bill http://ilga.gov/house/Rep.asp?MemberID=1245 not surprisingly he is a cook county rep.
     
  7. t1h

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    everyone will just get revolvers or buy ammo out of state
     
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    lol
     
  9. Soybomb

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    Here's the list of IL gun bills so far btw
     
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    Fuck that state
     
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    By base of the bullet, it appears that the actual bullet needs to be registered, not just the brass.
    Holy mother of fuck.
     
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    and you mother fuckers thought CA sucked.
     
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  14. Soybomb

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    You'll see a list of bills introduced like that in most states and even on the federal level by the hard core anti politicians. That doesn't mean they pass or become law. The gun laws in Illinois are still many times better than CA's.
     
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    they dont give a shit about the effectiveness, they just want bans.
     
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    fuck the FOID; that shit even affects me as a WI resident
     
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    Not that I'm a fan of foid, but how?
     
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    Oh good, more ways to make shit harder for law-abiding citizens to have guns.
     
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    man,thats just fukked right up.even more fukked if it goes through
     
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    THT The easy way is always mined

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    I dunno... they both suck pretty bad.
     
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    You can't buy ammo in IL regardless of residency.

    I kept my FOID just so that I can still buy ammo while I'm home visiting the parents. The guy at walmart wouldn't sell me ammo without it even after showing him my TN drivers license and carry permit :ugh: He looked a little pale after I showed him the carry permit :rofl:
     
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    It says it was "introduced by Rep. William Davis," but is Obama backing this also? :eek3:
     
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    You can, you just can't expect the people at Wal-Mart to know that...
     

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