Big Brother is coming for you car...

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  1. Possum Stomper

    Possum Stomper The Great Bird of the Galaxy

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    does this strike anyone else as extremely wrong?

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    Police in Canada's most populous province have the right to seize and destroy any car that has been modified for street racing, Ontario's top prosecutor claims.


    “If we can establish someone has parts and they're juicing up their car — obviously for the purpose of street racing — then we can seize those vehicles,” Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant said Wednesday, according to the Canadian Press.

    “We will seize it and you will never see it again. We will crush your car, we will crush the parts.”

    “We don't need to wait until that car hits the road fully loaded,” he said, adding that modified cars are as dangerous as explosives, capable of causing catastrophic damage.

    Mr. Bryant was also an architect of Ontario's recent pit bull ban, which was designed to "protected from the menace" of "dangerous dogs," which he characterized as "nothing but a loaded weapon waiting to go off."

    Bryant's comments on modified cars seem to suggest Ontario's liberal government is exempt fromthe Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which states: "Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure."

    It's not known if Bryant's latest comments are an accurate reflection of Canadian or Ontario law, or if police will use this apparent power, but it's clear Ontario's police are getting tired of dangerous driving.

    “There is no excuse for street racing and aggressive driving, such as the high speeds and unsafe lane changes we have seen recently,” Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian Fantino said in a recent press release.

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/canadian-province-claims-power-to-seize-destroy-modified-cars.html
     
  2. you know me

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    fucking canada....and how do you prove that the parts were put on there for street racig and not legitimate racing.
     
  3. deusexaethera

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    They said in the statement that there has to be an obvious intent to race illegally. Learn to read.

    Very few reasonable people object to cars that have been souped-up as long as they're not raced on the street. Hell, I see plenty of people with stock BMWs who can't fucking drive the things safely, either by intent or ineptitude.
     
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    hey fuckbag, what is an "obvious intent to race mod"..
     
  5. Possum Stomper

    Possum Stomper The Great Bird of the Galaxy

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    i just can't believe that people would willingly vote in a law that authoraizes the governemnt to sieze and destroy private property, not to mention a law as loosely defined as that dirtbag lawyer makes it sound like

    do people enjoy signing their freedom over?
     
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    Who says its the mods that give it away? It could be the test-driving of intermediate mods on back roads that clinches the deal.

    Anyway, if I HAD to pick a mod that indicates an obvious intent to street race, I'd probably pick those radar jammers that some people build into the front bumpers of their cars so they can claim they bought the car used and never knew the thing was already installed there.
     
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    When people get to be wealthy enough, they begin to value security more than freedom. Who needs freedom when you already have everything you want? :sad2:
     
  8. you know me

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    radar jammers = street racing.....what kind of retarded faggot are you
     
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    lots of mods = okay.

    Lots of mods and a radar detector = you're fucked.

    Or something like that.
     
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    lmfao. What OTHER reason could you POSSIBLY have a radar jammer on your car for?

    Shit, they're illegal to posess AT ALL in the US
     
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    I fucking love you know me
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  12. Possum Stomper

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  13. deusexaethera

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    It's called sarcasm.
     
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    That's my point. There's a difference between wanting to know when you're being watched, and actively blocking it. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that anyone who has a radar detector speeds everywhere they go, but the only reason anyone would actively scramble police radar is so they can speed without getting caught.

    Anyway, I could really care less if someone has a jammer or not; I'm just saying that there are certain mods (no, I don't mean wide tires or lowered suspension or even nasty park-bench wings) that make a strong case in court for their primary use being illegal racing without getting caught. So the bit about needing an obvious intent to race illegally is perfectly valid, so long as it's applied reasonably.
     
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    I'm not sure how to take that but :bigthumb:
     
  16. Possum Stomper

    Possum Stomper The Great Bird of the Galaxy

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    i know

    was merely making a point

    edit: who is that in your av btw?
     
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    shit would never hold up in court

    "we crushed your vehicle because you have performed the following street racing modifications to your civic hatchback: air intake, exhaust system, short throw shifter, and a vtec controller"

    :rolleyes:
     
  18. deusexaethera

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    There's a similar law in California. They tend to rely on evidence of stolen parts. Why? The argument is that people who install stolen parts on their hot-shit streetfighters are probably trying to replace shit they've broken without spending a lot of money on it. Now, how would a hot-shit streetfighter blow its engine? It certainly could be from a legit drag race at the local racetrack, but it's not very likely.

    In any event, articles such as these do a terrible job of explaining the concept of cumulative, reinforcing evidence. No, your car won't get crushed if you have a VTEC controller and a short-throw shifter. But, if it has stolen parts and a radar jammer and you got tagged doing 95mph in a 35 zone, then yes, it's pretty likely that you do that sort of thing all the time and they're going to beat your punk ass for it.
     
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    Linda Cavalotti, or something like that. She was a nurse on ER, and I think she was in an episode of Boy Meets World back in the day.
     
  20. you know me

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    every time you post I swear to god I think you're 12
     
  21. Madness

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    So just how exactly do they intend to determine my nitrous tanks, aftermarket turbos, and 7" tach were not purchased for track use?
     
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    If you're using them on the street, then it's a safe bet you intended to do so.
     
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    you have the iq of a retarded 12 year old girl
     
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    Right...because so many people with nitrous bottles hit the activator button by accident. Gee officer, I didn't know they were functional!

    Look, all of this theoretical debate about appearance vs. intent vs. action aside, I know damn well what you really want is for the world to let you do whatever you want. Tough shit, it doesn't work that way. There are billions of other drivers on the road and they don't much want to get killed by someone doing 120mph down a city street.
     
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    I can use all of those parts while remaining within the legal speed limit and practicing safe driving techniques, on my way to/from a sanctioned race track.
    The fact remains they have absolutely no way of proving that a part was installed "obviously for the purpose of street racing", unless the driver is caught in the act of or solicitation of such event. Thus, this legislation is completely useless and only serves to trample on the rights and property of select citizens, in an effort for some toolbag to further his political career, by preying on the fears of the general populace. Judging by the fact that the article mentions one of his previous crusades (pitbull dog ban) I can safely assume that he'll be rallying against video game violence and pornography next.
     

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