GUN Big Brother anyone? :england:

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  1. JaimeZX

    JaimeZX Formerly of :Sep 2001: fame - Also: Sprout Crew OT Supporter

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    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/05/27/news/politics/18_16_285_26_07.txt
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    LONDON -- The British government is drafting new anti-terrorism legislation that would allow police to stop and question individuals without suspecting a crime has taken place, the Home Office said Saturday.

    Under the legislation, officers could stop and interrogate people on their identities and where they had been or were planning to go -- powers they already have in Northern Ireland.

    Under current British law, police have the right to stop and search individuals on "reasonable grounds for suspicion" they have committed an offense, but officers have no rights to ask for their identity and recent movements.

    The new proposal would be part of a new anti-terrorism bill being prepared by outgoing Home Secretary John Reid.

    "We are considering a range of measures for the bill and 'stop and question' is one of them," said a Home Office spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with department policy.

    The move coincides with an attack by Prime Minister Tony Blair on critics of the government's approach to tackling terrorism. In an editorial in The Sunday Times, Blair accuses activists, opposition lawmakers and judges of putting civil liberties ahead of Britain's security.

    "I believe this is a dangerous misjudgment," he writes, about a month before he is scheduled to leave office on June 27.

    On Thursday, Blair revived a plan for jailing terror suspects without trial after three men suspected of planning to launch terror attacks overseas eluded police monitoring and disappeared.

    The three men had been under partial house arrest as part of the country's "control order" system, created after judges ruled that suspects couldn't be detained indefinitely without trial. Under control orders, suspects can be electronically tagged, kept under curfew, denied the use of telephones or the Internet and barred from meeting with others.

    "So when there is an outcry about the three absconding, we should remember that consistently over the past few years ... attempts to introduce stronger powers have been knocked back in the courts and parliament," he adds.

    Blair suffered his first major domestic defeat in 2005 when lawmakers, including members of his Labour Party, rejected his plan to allow police to hold terror suspects for up to 90 days without charging them with an offense. The government also has been constantly overruled by the judiciary in its attempts to deport foreign nationals it suspects of being engaged in extremist activities. :greddy:

    Blair writes in the Times that the terror threat faced by Britain is incomparable to anything that has come before and must be "confronted with every means at our disposal."

    Civil liberties activists have said any attempt to create tougher anti-terror laws risked a new political battle for Blair on the eve of his resignation.
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  2. PanzerAce

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    yah.......thank god I don't live in england.
     
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    wtf :mad:
     
  4. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    sounds like democrats/liberals in america
     
  6. Sloi

    Sloi Back up in your ass with the resurrection

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    Oh my.

    On a serious but tangential note, when will citizens take up arms against their governments? If this kind of invasion and abuse doesn't warrant action, what does? In all seriousness, would they have to release a message literally saying "you are no longer free citizens, we own your lives and will be watching your every moves forever, and the moment you do something we disagree with, you will be imprisoned for life" for people to act?
     
  7. JaimeZX

    JaimeZX Formerly of :Sep 2001: fame - Also: Sprout Crew OT Supporter

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    Oop. The Brits are disarmed already FTL.
     
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    Sloi Back up in your ass with the resurrection

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    Small Block LSX BMW | N54 | LSX | Gun | PS3 | Parent | Night CREW

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    Yeah, because the Democrats are the ones that passed bullshit like the Patriot Act. :rofl:
     
  10. Soybomb

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    Why would they when most approve of it? http://forums.offtopic.com/showpost.php?p=77974907&postcount=195

    The UK is fairly well disarmed now anyway, but for now they're fine with things the way they are. How many people in the US have voted for someone that has voted for the patriot act?
     
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    Can't they pretty much do that anyway??? I mean how many people tell a cop to F off because it's not their business? Even though we know we have grounds for that, it's just asking for more trouble out of the cop...
     
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    True, but I think the difference is that this is legislation. We in America basically do the same thing, why not, if we have nothing to hide. It's just not the law here.
     

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