GUN Best current defensive loads?

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  1. vwpilot

    vwpilot New Member

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    So right now my current home defense gun is loaded with Federal Hydrashoks and they are couple years old, so I'm going to run those through the gun and buy some fresh ammo for HD.

    So what are the good current loads for HD? I'd be interested in hearing about 9mm .40 s&w and .45 ACP as I have all three calibers and usually keep ammo for all three on hand, with the .45 and .40 being the two normally staying loaded around the house.

    Also, what do you guys consider is enough rounds to put through your weapon to insure it reliably functions or works well the chosen load?
     
  2. 99_civic_ex

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    http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=78;t=000964

    9 mm:
    Barnes XPB 105 & 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
    Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
    Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
    Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
    Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
    Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
    Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
    Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)

    .40 S&W:
    Barnes XPB 140 & 155 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Speer Gold Dot 155 gr JHP
    Federal Tactical 165 gr JHP (LE40T3)
    Winchester Ranger-T 165 gr JHP (RA40TA)
    Winchester Partition Gold 165 gr JHP (RA401P)
    Federal HST 180 gr JHP (P40HST1)
    Federal Tactical 180 gr JHP (LE40T1)
    Remington Golden Saber 180 gr JHP (GS40SWB)
    Speer Gold Dot 180 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 180 gr JHP (RA40T)

    .45 ACP:
    Barnes XPB 185 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Federal HST 230 gr +P JHP (P45HST1)
    Federal Tactical 230 gr JHP (LE45T1)
    Speer Gold Dot 230 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr JHP (RA45T)
    Winchester Ranger-T 230 gr +P JHP (RA45TP)
     
  3. Soybomb

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    Why would you tell someone to use bonded ammo for home defense? In case they need to shoot through a car window in their living room?


    The list 99_civic_ex posted FTW
     
  4. vwpilot

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    Thanks for that list and link. I thought I had seen it here recently but couldnt find it.

    What about the question of how many rounds do you consider enough to know the gun is working well with that particular load. I like to know my gun will work with the ammo I might need for defense. Usually I'll fire a couple boxes through and if I get no problems I'll call it good. Do you think that is enough, or do you think it needs 100 rounds, 200 rounds, 500?
     
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    So you don't get jacket/core separation when you shoot someone, which limits penetration depth (and likelihood of reaching vital organs and anatomical structures)
     
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    Can you show me the problems ranger has with core seperation? Indoors unless you were shooting 127gr +P+ it isn't a problem and that even seems to be very iffy. All bonded will you is less expansion and more penetration which should already be sufficient.

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    Um, Ranger-T is bonded, IIRC
     
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    Some ranger t rounds are available in a bonded variety, those are not. Once again I'd like to ask you to provide any evidence you have that ranger suffers from jacket seperation issues because I have never seen it.
     
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    I don't see DPX on that list anywhere. Did they not test them, or did they fail? I thought I'd read good things about DPX.
     
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    best defensive load is one with low recoil for improved accuracy and follow up and low penetration (overpenetration is bad) , this is a proven fact
     
  11. RonJeremey

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    Barnes = dpx
     
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    ah cool. thanks for the info :bigthumb:
     
  13. MTech

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    those prices are more than other places, and he doesn't even discount when you buy in bulk wtf?
     
  14. MTech

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    I always see the 50 round boxes for $19.99 and I've never even seen the 20 round boxes.
    You brought up a good point that always annoys me as well it seems a lot of people think and try to argue the SXT is the same as the Ranger-T when in fact it is not.

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    From left to right: Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger, Remington Golden Saber.

    Here is what I have and prices for now on the Ranger ammo. All the handgun ammo is in 50 round boxes, the .223 Ranger is in 20 round boxes and the 12ga 00 Buck and Rifle Slugs are in 5 round boxes. I do offer case discounts. A case of the handgun ammo consists of 500 rounds, the rifle ammo 200 rounds and the shotgun ammo 250 rounds.
    RA380T - 380acp 95gr - $20.00
    RA38110HP+ - 38 special 110gr+P+ - $18.00 - $15.00 ON
    SALE WHILE SUPPLY LASTS
    RA9T - 9mm 147gr - $18.00
    RA9124TP - 9mm 124gr+P - $18.00
    RA9TA - 9mm 127gr+P+ - $18.00
    RA91P - 9mm 124gr Partition Gold - $20.00
    RA9BA - 9mm 124gr+P Bonded - $20.00
    RA40TA - 40s&w 165gr - $18.00 - $16.50 ON SALE WHILE
    SUPPLY LASTS
    RA40T - 40s&w 180gr - $18.00
    RA40BA - 40s&w 165gr Bonded - $22.00
    RA357SIGT - 357sig 125gr - $20.00
    RA45T - 45acp 230gr - $20.00
    RA45TP - 45acp 230gr+P - $20.00
    RA45GT - 45GAP 230gr - $20.00
    RA223R - .223 55gr Soft Point - $10.00
    RA556M855 - .223 62gr Green Tip Penetrator - $14.00
    RA1200B - 12ga 9 Pellet Low Recoil 00 Buckshot - $2.75
    RA12RS - 12ga Low Recoil 1oz Rifle Slug - $2.75
    Please let me know exactly what you are interested in getting and your zip code and I’ll check shipping and give you a total.

    Thanks, Jerry Kirkpatrick.
     
  15. MTech

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    I always go with the 147 anyway but FWIW (cause I know for some reason there's still a lot of "lighter faster load = better) guys on here and elsewhere since they don't realize bullet technology itself has greatly improved... here's straight from the horses mouth about 147 vs the +P and +P+ rounds...


    When we redesigned the Ranger T Series of ammunition we widened the velocity window under which the round would expand to allow for the slower velocities that shorter than standard barrels produce. What this means is that if you own a standard or sub compact pistol the round should have adequate expansion. In 9mm I would recommend the 147 grain bullet as it loses a lower velocity percentage than the faster lighter bullet in shorter than normal barrels. This is because the bullet has more dwell time in the bore and has a greater opportunity to burn the powder before the bullet exits the bore. Powder that is burned outside the bore does nothing for velocity. The lighter faster bullets generally have more powder to burn and since the lighter faster bullets have less time in the bore they are not efficient burners of powder in the shorter barrels.

    We increased the velocity window under which the round would expand by increasing the size of the hollowpoint, tweaking the jacket thickness and the depth of the cuts on the inside of the jacket petal segments.

    Sincerely,

    Paul Nowak
    Senior Technical Specialist
    Winchester Law Enforcement Ammunition
     
  16. TL1000RSquid

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    They're whats on my hip now, seem to perform good but $50 a box :wtc:
     
  17. MTech

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    Those are what I've seen them at all year this year..unless you mean 2007 as last year :dunno:

    anyway I googled cause I just blanked on the place everybody says to buy from anymore though now that I think of it Mirage which is now http://www.floridabullet.net is one of the guys everybody mentioned as far as online but I dunno about Ranger-T they just sell loads of gold dot I think.. I'm trying to remember/find more of the Ranger sites.

    Ranger - http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=WINC
    http://www.prestostore.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?ref=hotpig27&pd=249882 $20
    http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/...inchester-ranger-talon-147gr-hp-ammo-662.html $19.95 RA9T
    http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/...rds-9mm-winchester-ranger-talon-147gr-hp-ammo 500 Rounds for $194.95
    http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/...rds-9mm-winchester-ranger-talon-147gr-hp-ammo $19.95

    The prices I posted I found and that's from Jerry over at the XD Talk boards. he's highly recommended and I wanna say guys mentioned him on Glock talk and MP forums as well he always has really low pricing. [email protected] :bigthumb:

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