GUN Best .380?

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  1. negative zero

    negative zero New Member

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    Looking for a small pocket type gun. I've considered the LCP but have heard mixed reviews on quality control. I know 2 people that have kel tecs (forget which model, P3AT??) and they both love them.
     
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    i haven't shot my LCP that much and everyone says it'll loosen up a bit and my extraction issues should improve.

    plus the LCP doesn't fire +P and i think the kel tec does.

    i got the LCP to fucking cheap to pass up, thing was used but not fired and couldn't pass up the deal.
     
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    love my lcp and i coudlnt imagine shooting plus p ammo out of it.
     
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    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    Add me to the love the P3AT crowd. Mines been nothing but reliable for several hundred rounds and goes everywhere.

    I am still wary of the LCP, but a friend has one and reports 200rds trouble free so far. It certainly looks and feels better than the Kel-tec.


    Anyone have hands on the Diamondback 380?
     
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    I just don't like the under powered .380 round, with JHP you're pretty much looking at 9 inches or less of penetration from some of the balistics i've seen on different ammo.

    I'd like to be able to fire +P to add a bit more power behind the projectile.

    i don't care if it's comfortable to shoot, and honestly i don't think it would be bad, .380 is light and shooting the LCP isn't punishing at all.

    Shooting a J frame revolver with .38spl +P can beat ya up a bit but .380 is pretty weak in comparison.

    the only real positive thing i can say about the LCP or other small .380 autos is that they are so super easy to conceal anywhere at anytime.

    until mine is broken in and acts more reliable i'll consider it to be nothing but a secondary weapon and will continue to carry my S&W 642 or G26 as my primary.

    the reliability of both of those guns seems MUCH higher to me, and i fire them both with much better accuracy

    just my opinion as a short time LCP owner, i know some people love the hell out of em, i'm still on the fence personally
     
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    Paintballer Choo Choooo....

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    I read this as "best .308 pocket gun" and was like, Who the fuck wants to shoot a .308 fro a pocket gun and besides, no one even makes one that I know of. :big grin:
     
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    AJP 7-1 LOL Green Gay OT Supporter

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    I had my LCP out at the range yesterday and shot 300 rounds. Didn't have a single extraction issue. I only had one single issue the entire time, I got a fail to feed one time most likely from limp wristing my shot.

    The gun is so small you have to learn a whole new grip to shoot anything more than 5 yards with any accuaracy.
     
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    i'm going to try and go to the local gun store to put my hands on some .380's. Hopefully I can make a decision. Probably between the Kel Tec and LCP but if they can recommend something else I may come back and look at some reviews.

    I've also seen some decent comments about Bersa.
     
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    Mitch'SS New Member

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    Another vote for the 3at. Not very accurate after 10 yards but mine has been reliable.
     
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    i shot a buddies kel tec and as a LCP owner i'd vote kel tec :dunno:
     
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    AJP 7-1 LOL Green Gay OT Supporter

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    From the outside they look identical, why go Kel-tec besides the price?
     
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    One store had both the kel tec and LCP. Both were "sold" though. I guess somebody put $ down on them for the store to hold them. LCP was 339, kel tec was 319. Gonna hit up another store hopefully one day this week just to see if they have them available and what the price is.
     
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    AJP 7-1 LOL Green Gay OT Supporter

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    I paid $280 for my LCP brand new. Came with the gun, gun case, one magazine (with a pinky extender), all the paperwork, the first round it fired, and a box. I see the kel-tec's selling for $250 new all day.
     
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    i'd like to be able to shoot the +P ammo to assist with an underpowered .380 round, the Kel tec can and the LCP can not

    my LCP is ok, i don't hate it, but they are virtually the same gun and the +P is what makes me lean towards the Kel tec

    I probably wouldn't have bought either but i got a pretty good deal on the LCP so i figured fuck it and bought 1.
     
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    i see the LCP all day for $299 new even at large stores that are notorious for being a bit over priced like Cabelas and Bass pro
     
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    I thought Academy would have one but they didn't. And the other store is a local store I've never been in before so I don't know if it's normal for them to just charge a little more???

    The other local store (where I bought my 2 glocks) always seemed to have decent prices. I just didn't have time to go there.

    So, if the LCP is ~299 would the kel tec be a bit cheaper?
     
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    they are in my area
     
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    I have a new production LCP (373- SN). I took it out yesterday and shot 100 rounds through it without a single issue. Then again I have never had a FTF or FTE in any of my guns through over 1,000 rounds in each of them except the LCP which only has 100 through it.
     
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    I've got a strong feeling that the +P warning for the LCP is a CYA for Ruger.
     
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    or the kel tec was designed to handle the +P and the LCP wasn't
     
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    There's no such thing as 380+P, meaning there are no SAAMI specs for the load
     
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    It's so small. It's better to carry the LCP everyday than to carry a bigger gun occasionally.
     
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    what's the +P on the box if there isn't +P for .380?

    explain, i guess i don't get it
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_Arms_and_Ammunition_Manufacturers%27_Institute

    Their is no such thing as .380+P there is no SAAMI specs for +P in .380

    "Since SAAMI does not specify +P ratings for these cartridges there are only two possible explanations. Either the ammo is loaded to higher pressures than SAAMI deems safe or the +P designation is just marketing hype"

    http://www.handgunsmag.com/ammunition/demystplusp_0306-7/
     

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