BB <--> DB push correlation?

Discussion in 'Fitness & Nutrition' started by Memor, Jul 26, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Memor

    Memor Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    73,022
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NYC
    I keep looking through everyone's training logs, and guys at the gym in general, but I can't seem to really pinpoint a relation between the weight someone can do on a DB bench vs. their relative BB bench.

    Is there a general ratio? Or are the movements/muscles too different in each to make that statement, and it's just something that varies from person to person?
     
  2. MaineSucks

    MaineSucks OT Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2005
    Messages:
    39,645
    Likes Received:
    8
    Location:
    954
    varies from person to person
     
  3. tekmode

    tekmode Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2001
    Messages:
    102,711
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    my bb bench sucks, never maxed but my max for reps is like 165...on db's i can do up to 80s
     
  4. bigdamray

    bigdamray New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    5,868
    Likes Received:
    0
    You got it!!
     
  5. Memor

    Memor Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    73,022
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NYC
    The More I Know™
     
  6. Chris3G

    Chris3G Bullshark Testosterone

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2001
    Messages:
    16,464
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Ridgewood, NJ
    it definitely varies, but until you are repping 350+ on BB, i think you should be able to do around 85%
     
  7. CPop

    CPop New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    949
    Likes Received:
    0
    In general it's a one way street. If your barbell bench goes up, your DB lift will too. However, if your DB lift goes up, there is no correllation to the BB lift (unless it increases like 200% or something stupid like that).
     
  8. Memor

    Memor Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    73,022
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NYC
    good to know
     
  9. <Mark>

    <Mark> A flute without holes, is not a flute. A donut wit

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2001
    Messages:
    8,961
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    On the course.
    So is BB bench better for pure strength than DB bench?
     
  10. michael

    michael FLORIDA > *

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2001
    Messages:
    81,943
    Likes Received:
    456
    Location:
    paradise
    I would think so..but :dunno:
     
  11. michael

    michael FLORIDA > *

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2001
    Messages:
    81,943
    Likes Received:
    456
    Location:
    paradise
    I'm going 75 lb db's now for 4 sets at 10 reps, 8, 8, 5ish.. i have no idea what i could do on barbell though..
     
  12. CPop

    CPop New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    949
    Likes Received:
    0
    Mark,

    IN general BB exercises are going to be better for strength, yes, because you can use more weight. Somepeople will quote a study which pegs DB lifts are more efficient at recruiting particular muscle fibers but it's close -something like a couple percent, and the difference in weight between DB and BB is far more than a couple percent, putting the sway back towards BB work. There is no substitute for a heavy bar in your hands. I don't know anyone with respectable numbers that built their strength primarily using dumbbells. They're a great supplement to a barbell, but remember, there is nothing like a heavy bar in your hands. I feel that DB's are overused by many beginners. Pay your dues with the straight bar then mess around with DB's occasionally or for second tier/third tier exercises and you'll be much better off.
     
  13. kidbv2

    kidbv2 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2004
    Messages:
    214
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    ASU
    True that. I say, give people a bar, a bench, a squat rack, and plates for at least a year before they even start to think about this other fancy stuff.

    Great post CPop
     
  14. michael

    michael FLORIDA > *

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2001
    Messages:
    81,943
    Likes Received:
    456
    Location:
    paradise
    You forget that MANY of us work out alone and to go heavy on a bar would be pretty terrifying without someone to be there.. thus the need for a more safe alternative, a la db's
     
  15. C4

    C4 OT OG Aussie #1

    Joined:
    May 23, 2000
    Messages:
    30,844
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    I have found that my right pec is much smaller than the left, and to combat this i have switched to some DB bench instead of BB at this point in time to make sure i dont ease up with the right and cheat ...

    but i miss the bar :wtc:
     
  16. Elfling

    Elfling New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Messages:
    36,575
    Likes Received:
    0
    Alternate. Dbell bench on one day, Bbell on the next.

    There's actually a specific term for the difference in weight you can push with both arms together vs. separately. I can't freaking remember it, but it's why you can barbell curl more than you can curl in dbell weights, same thing.
     
  17. deznutz

    deznutz New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    29,880
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sometimes i alternate one chest day i do flat DB, and bar decline. another chest day i will do flat bb and incline DB. I like to switch it up a lil
     
  18. DatacomGuy

    DatacomGuy is moving to Canada

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2002
    Messages:
    16,546
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Agreed. My wife goes to the gym with my usually, but she can't really spot me.. DBs make it easier and safer. :hs:
     
  19. cavefish

    cavefish You ain't a crook son, you just a shook one

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2002
    Messages:
    12,898
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Tuscaloosa, AL
    F&N is the home of people who can DB bench 160's and shoulder press the 150's for 50 reps but can only barbell bench 200lbs :p
     
  20. Elfling

    Elfling New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Messages:
    36,575
    Likes Received:
    0
    :mamoru:

    I can usually do in dumbbells what I put in plates on the sides of the barbell. Right now I'm at 105 for bench for 10 reps and 30-35 pound dumbbells for 10 reps.
     
  21. C4

    C4 OT OG Aussie #1

    Joined:
    May 23, 2000
    Messages:
    30,844
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    I was going to do DB's for my 6 week phase, then bring in the alternating db/bb approach, but may just start early :bigthumb:
     
  22. michael

    michael FLORIDA > *

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2001
    Messages:
    81,943
    Likes Received:
    456
    Location:
    paradise
    starting this week i am switching to bb for the next 4-8 weeks, depending on the progress i make. i wanna rep 225 for 3 :hs:
     
  23. Memor

    Memor Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    73,022
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NYC
    aww that's cold dawg

    but it's true :mamoru:
     
  24. PreemO

    PreemO OT Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2002
    Messages:
    16,169
    Likes Received:
    58
    Location:
    Berkeley, Go Bears
    from my personal observation, people who dont do full ROM on BB, can never do their first rep with DBs on their own.
     
  25. hootpie

    hootpie New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2003
    Messages:
    35,257
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Northern California
    On that same note, people who don't do full ROM on DB, can never do their first rep with DB's on their own either. I know, I was one of them :o

    My friend used a general equation to figure out what someone does on DB and BB. To translate DB -> BB, he added the DB weight up, then added 10-15lb to it. This worked out to be pretty accurate +/- 5lb for most of his friends ie you do 60lb db's, so 60+60+15 = 135lb bench.

    I prefer DB's because I'm one of those people that will overcompensate with his strong side, leaving his weak side perpetually weaker. It's something I can't mentally overcome for some reason, so I tend to work more with DB's to ensure that I'm working each side evenly. Plus, I like forcing my stabilizer muscles to work.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page