Discussion in 'On Topic' started by SnakeEater, Jun 26, 2008.
odd. so no details on why?
That's really strange. I wonder what they're not telling us?
I'm going to punch out early and head up to Moyock to see if I can catch the Blackwater vs. ATF fight live. Now that would really be an entertaining evening. Think I'll stop off for a quart of Wild Turkey to bring to the party.
Blackwater vs. a bunch of ATF agents? I'd put my money on Blackwater.
I don't know, ATF has some high speed motherfuckers in their breakdown units, it's not all douchebags in suits.
they couldnt even handle those idiots down in waco
Apparently it was all over some AK-47's and Bushmaster XM15's.
I've always wondered how Blackwater gets the guns that they use since they aren't technically military.
The same way anyone wants to get something from our government...swallow.
Now that would be a high risk warrant
I guess they could afford to buy older registered auto sears and trigger packs though.
I am sure our great government has granted them exceptions. I assume they are a "dealer" or manufacture of some sort.
you would think for the trouble they're going through they would open up a weapons development division and possess them on their own under the Class III SOT for manufacturer.
Good. Mercenaries are dangerous to our national security.
Bet they knocked this time, for once.
"no dogs were shot in execution of this warrant"
Rules are different for operating overseas. But fullauto, suppressors, SBRs, etc, unless BW registers them with BATF here too, they have to stay overseas.
the manu license seems like a decent loophole for an org like bw.... i'd be surprised if they didn't have themselves covered.
That does kind of surprise me, that they don't have some kind of manufacturing/SOT license going on
I thought the same thing. "I wonder if they knocked this time?"
Feds Raid Blackwater Armory
Company financed automatic weapons for sheriff, then held onto them
The Associated Press
updated 9:08 p.m. ET, Thurs., June. 26, 2008
RALEIGH, N.C. - Federal agents raided Blackwater Worldwide this week as part of an investigation into whether the private security company sidestepped federal laws prohibiting the private purchase of automatic assault rifles, the company said Thursday.
Blackwater spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell said investigators with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives searched Blackwater's armory at its corporate headquarters in Moyock on Tuesday as part of the investigation. Court documents show that agents seized 22 guns as evidence from a vault reserved for county authorities.
The company signed agreements in 2005 in which Blackwater financed the purchase of 34 automatic weapons for the Camden County Sheriff's Office. Sheriff Tony Perry became the official owner of the weapons, but Blackwater was allowed to keep most of the guns at its armory.
Federal laws prohibit private parties from buying fully automatic weapons, unless they were manufactured and registered before May 1986, but allows law enforcement agencies to have them.
'Lawful and proper,' company says
One of the 2005 agreements says the weapons will be kept under "lock and key" and doesn't describe whether Blackwater would use the guns.
"We believe all aspects of our contracts with the sheriff's office are lawful and proper," Tyrrell said, adding that the ATF has known about the arrangement for a long time.
Tyrrell also said federal authorities have known about the weapons for years and that investigators got a complete look at the company's cache in 2005 after two employees were fired.
Kenneth Wayne Cashwell and William Ellsworth "Max" Grumiaux were sentenced this year on gunrunning charges, but they were spared prison time after federal prosecutors asked a judge to approve a lighter sentence because of their ongoing cooperation in a weapons investigation.
Blackwater said it fired the men after finding they had been stealing from the company. Cashwell operated Blackwater's armory in 2005, Tyrrell said.
"When these guys were fired, we invited (ATF) in to do a full search of everything we possessed," Tyrrell said. "They did a full audit, and those weapons were there at that time."
She said it is not unusual for Blackwater to store automatic weapons because the company is licensed to sell, provide training on, or even manufacture firearms.
Both ATF and U.S. Attorney George Holding declined to comment.
Little use by deputies
The 2005 agreements give the sheriff's office unlimited access to the weapons, including 17 Romanian AK-47s and 17 Bushmasters. But Perry has said his department has only used the AK-47s in shooting practice at Blackwater and that none of his 19 deputies are qualified to use them.
The 34 weapons are registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record to the Camden County sheriff. The AK-47s and five of the Bushmasters were stored and used at Blackwater while the remainder of the weapons were assigned to local deputies, Perry had said. Those numbers match with the guns listed on the search warrant receipt filed Wednesday.
The sheriff did not return calls seeking comment Thursday.
Blackwater is the largest private security firm in Iraq, and it has been under scrutiny as a federal grand jury in Washington investigates the company's involvement in the shooting deaths of 17 Iraqi civilians. The firm is also under investigation for possible weapons smuggling allegations — violations the firm strongly denies.
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The problem is that Blackwater funded the purchases for the sherrif's department, which are the people who can legally buy them. The deal is that they buy the guns and the deputies can use it anytime but it has to stay at BW's armory.
not entirely. The sherrif had about 12 of the M4's. It just seems that BW bought the sherrif some M4's (which they probably wanted) and piggy-backed some AKs in the deal, knowing that the sherrif wouldn't really want em.