audi A4 or S4??

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  1. ericj

    ericj raw deal

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    alright so im planning on making an automotive purchase pretty soon and i am looking at audi A4 or S4. my dad currently has an A6 with the 2.7t engine which i really like but im lookin for something a little smaller. any thoughts on like a b5 A4 vs S4? an S4 would be pretty pimp but i dont reall know anything about their reliability etc. im looking to spend less than 20k any help would be rad thanks!
     
  2. MrBucket

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    you arent finding a s4 for under 20k that you would want to own

    your only choice is the a4
     
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    I have a B5 Volkswagen Passat, which is functionally the same car as the Audi A4. The 1.8t has kinda crappy torque at a dead stop, but it kicks ass in the passing lane. As far as reliability is concerned, the basic rule of thumb is that a higher-performance car will always have poorer reliability because it's under higher stress. Given both of those, I think the A4 would be a fine car.

    There are more than a few performance parts you can get for it, like lowering springs (from the factory!), exhaust, and P-chip, that will let you buff it later when you have the money to spend instead of going in debt to get the stuff right now.
     
  4. ericj

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    would a 2.8 end up lasting longer than a 1.8? the cars im looking at are around 40-60k miles and i dont want to have to replace the turbo in the 1.8 anytime soon
     
  5. Dr. Woo

    Dr. Woo Guns don't kill people

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    The 1.8T's K03 turbo is very reliable. No need to worry about replacing it.

    The 2.8 is stronger out of the box and can be supercharged, while the 1.8T has HUGE potential. There are 300+ HP 1.8Ts out there, but I wouldn't really recommend that if reliability is a concern. Just DON'T GET AN AUTOMATIC QUATTRO if you go with the 1.8T. Slow slow slow. Mine goes from 0-60 in about 9-10 seconds. Yikes.

    The only S4s worth buying won't be under 20k as mentioned above. Stay away from them.

    If you REALLY want some power, swap in a 20V 5cyl Turbo from an old 100. 500+ HP? Sure! :p
     
  6. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    The S4's with the 2.7T (same engine has the A6's) you will change turbos like an oil change. Audi had issues with the pre 02 A6's and the S4's with the 2.7T engines.
     
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    Dr. Woo Guns don't kill people

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    The S4 was fixed by 01.5.

    The 2.7T was used in A6, S4, and Allroad in the U.S.
     
  8. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    A6 didnt get fixed till 02.5 with new turbos
     
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    Dr. Woo Guns don't kill people

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    :ugh: The 2.7T never got "new turbos." The fix was to increase the size of the oil lines to the turbos, thus reducing the potential for catastrophic turbo failure. And this fix was done in 2000. MY2001.5+ have the larger oil lines, and lots of MY2001s have the larger lines as well.
     
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    I love my 01.5 S4, but its unreliable as fuck. Im thinking about a 350z or STi.
     
  11. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    Sorry misinformed little man.. Audi changed brand of Turbos in 2002.5 to a new brand because of massive Turbo failure. I know this because for a while I looked at a A6 and did some research.
    Same issue with teh S4's the turbos would need to be replaced like a oil change. you should read up on this.
     
  12. Dr. Woo

    Dr. Woo Guns don't kill people

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    I have, and it sounds like you're making this up so you don't sound stupid.

    Care to prove this, then? In all my time being an Audi fanatic, I've NEVER heard about changing the "brand" (manufacturer?) of the turbos in the 2.7T.

    Do your part to help out this "misinformed little man," wouldja? I can't wait to hear you tell me that Audi switched from KKK (bought by BorgWarner) to another turbo manufacturer so I can laugh.
     
  13. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    in 2002.5 Audi switched I think to KKK from another maker due to turbo failures in the 2.7T in A6 and S4. I will see what I can find. My Audisackriding friend I can have him show me that info again
     
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    that's incorrect

    they've always been k03's
    the exact same turbo in the 1.8t
     
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    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    I could not find the information I found before, but I did find several stuff on Audi sites with serious reliablity problems that improved somewhat after whatever Audi changed on their Turbos for the A6/S4's
     
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    Dr. Woo Guns don't kill people

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    Like I said...improved oil lines to the turbos.
     
  17. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    To Fix severe reliablity issues that they were having. These issues are well documented on Audiworld and issues you still deny.
     
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    are you retarded?

    the reliability issues were because of oil lines....not the turbos themselves.

    the turbos...even today on the 2004 1.8t are exactly the same
    k03's
     
  19. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    Are you retarded.. do you know what happens to a turbo when no oil gets to it? This because an issue of turbo failure, its very well documented.
     
  20. Dr. Woo

    Dr. Woo Guns don't kill people

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    What the hell am I denying? The only thing I denied was your outlandish claim that Audi switched from KKK to another manufacturer for the turbos. I never, EVER said that the 2.7T wasn't made more reliable by the oil line fix.
     
  21. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    I read somewhere my Audi friend read it too on Audi world that changes were made to the turbo system. I think they posted they changed brands or something. But before updated turbo reliablity was a major issue
     
  22. raybuck

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    u wont be able to find a nice s4 for under 20k a new one gets up two 50k but the a4's are nice but best to get one with a 3.0 engin not the 1.8t
     
  23. Read more...

    Read more... SPQR

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    So wait, when did the 2.7T's get fixed in the A6 and S4?
     
  24. Y2kAccord

    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    A6 was around 2002.. dont know on S4
     
  25. Dr. Woo

    Dr. Woo Guns don't kill people

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    Look, I'll put it all together so you can understand.

    Audi never switched the manufacturer of the turbo. KKK was bought by Borg-Warner, but still produces the K03 turbo used in the 2.7T. Turbo failure was more frequent than normal, so Audi upgraded the oil lines in the 2.7T. The S4 was fixed in its 2001.5 model year, while the A6 was fixed for most of the 2001 model year. There are some 2001s with smaller lines, some with the larger ones.

    So, "misinformed little man," maybe you should know what you're talking about before trying to call people out on what you believe is misinformation.
    A 2001.5 or above of either model will have the larger oil lines, while many of the 2001 A6 models have them as well.
     

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