Discussion in 'OT Bar' started by Sylva, Jan 30, 2009.
I agree w/ hildawg and sherdog. Care of try and back up your statement at all?
What the hell did he contribute? I mean, all he did was create the fucking thing
Well im gonna ignore everything Ripper says from now on...
Not exactly true.
Ju Jitsu has a much longer history than most think.
It started with the greatest Judoka of all time - Kano.. Kano was a strong traditional judo instructor who focused heavily on Randori in the 1800's. His best student was Maeda. Maeda was a black belt at 18 years old. He began to tour Brazil on a trip designed to create a Japanese "community" in Brazil.
While in Brazil - Maeda taught Carlson Gracie Sr. his style of ju jitsu. Maeada, much different from Kano was heavily interested in the ne-waza portion of the game. Carlon Sr. was a student under Maeda for 4 years. At this point - he began teaching (think early 1920's). He and his brothers (Helio) developed their own style of ne waza that they termed brazilian jiu jitsu. While Helio was influential in SPREADING bjj, it was Maeda and Carlson Sr. who truly combined their skills to develop BJJ.
To say Helios "held BJJ back" is ridiculous. Without him, there would be no Rorion or Royce and there would be no UFC.. Helios is responsible for the spread and popularity of Jiu Jitsu - especially in the U.S.
Waiting for his response.
that's interesting.. knew about carlson but was not aware of how important he was in the beginining.. obviously his accomplishments with his team and stuff were well known..
and helio might not have been for sport bjj.. but that doesn't mean he held it back.. there's room for both the sport side and the self defence classic side..
i think he was being sarcastic. nonetheless that info right there flat out proves The Ripper wrong
I learned all of this from YOUR coach man.. He told me this at a seminar
He asked if I wanted to take a private and I said "actually, I'd rather just pick your brain for a minute" and he told me this story.. His passion was second to none. We sat and talked for 15 minutes and at the end he said "your goood people man" in thick portuguese accent.
99% of people involved with BJJ think that Helios "invented" BJJ.. It's a very common thought process which is spread often by instructors as they don't even know.
I wasn't trying to be Mr. Know It All - just spreading the story I was told by Renzo himself.
on gracie academy's website there's a quote from Helio where he talks about sport BJJ, he isn't completely against it, but he always viewed BJJ as a way for smaller guys to beat bigger guys
didn't try and be Mr. Corrector, i knew Helio didn't invent it, but i didn't know what went on before Count Koma. that was a cool history lesson though.
sweet! that's cool.. i gotta talk to him more when i get the chance..
he's def one of the nicest people i've come across and always stops to say hi and see how you're doing..
yea and i agree with him.. i think they're just two different ways to practice and approach it..
i know i personally got into BJJ because i liked how it looked, and from watching some of Rorion's old BJJ vs. Youtube videos it seemed like the best sport to do in case of a self defense sort of situation.
haha those videos are hilariously awesome..
i dunno if i can pinpoint what got me into bjj.. but definitely royce in ufc was a eyeopener.. and then later on watching more mma and the submission just seemed so cool.. and finally i got more interested in gi bjj and watching guys like roger, jacare and so on got me to bite..
On his death bed
i heard this Helio quote that just touched me, they make a shirt you can buy but i haven't ordered it yet.
it also has like Helio's signature on the back
"What the Samurai did with their swords, we do with our hands" - Helio Gracie
also here's a cool shirt to honor Grandmaster Helio
how it all began in his own words..
great read if you have the time: http://geocities.com/global_training_report/helio.htm
here's a "motivational" poster that i just made.
i didn't think he invented bjj,but i thought he set up gracie jj for the smaller guys. since he himself was small.
Agree w/ everything posted so far.
Ripper, are you dicktucking?
The Ripper said that? LOL wtf.... Why wasn't there a redbelt on his coffin? He may not have invented Jiu jitsu, but his technique in my opinion was the best ever.