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  1. JP®

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    [running some npp at a lighter dose than my test]

    Any opinions on this? Heres the profile....


    Nandrolone Phenylpropionate/Durabolin Profile ~ By Aboot

    Pharmaceutical Name: Nandrolone (with phenylpropionate ester)
    Formula of Base: C18 H26 O2
    Molecular Weight of Base: 274.4022
    Molecular Weight of Ester: 150.174
    Active life: 5 days
    Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio: 125/37


    Nandrolone is by far one of the most popular anabolic steroids available. This is due to the compound's affinity for being highly anabolic but relatively mild in terms of androgenic side effects. By attaching the phenylpropionate ester to the nandrolone base, the compound offers all of the advantages of nandrolone while also allowing it to reach blood concentration levels much more quickly than with the more popular decanoate ester.

    Nandrolone phenylpropionate can be used to treat anemia by increasing red blood cell production, as do most anabolic steroids (1,2). However the rate at which nandrolone does this is somewhat higher than most. This increase in red blood cell count can help to improve an athlete's performance. This is accomplished by eliminating lactic acid much quicker and more efficiently, while also improving the delivery of oxygen to muscles (2,3). This increase in the production of red blood cells also allows muscle to recover much more quickly due to the blood being able to replenish muscle glycogen faster after physical exertion, as well as carrying those other components that aid in repair of muscles.

    Medically, nandrolone is now often used to help treat patients with HIV or AIDS who are suffering from muscle wasting. However, due to the short active life of nandrolone phenylpropionate it would not be a very efficient ester to use. A longer acting ester would be more appropriate to administer in most cases.

    Another benefit of nandrolone is the fact that it can improve collagen synthesis. This can help in improving joint pain, as well as their ability to function (3). Many users will often simply run nandrolone in their cycle for this specific effect. However users should be cautioned that the ability of nandrolone to heal or repair any serious damage to joints is rather small and should not relied upon for such a purpose. In fact, it may simply allow a user to do further damage to the joint without feeling the effects until much later. If using the compound for it's ability to improve the health of joints, ensure that it is not replacing proper medical treatment.


    Use/Dosing

    Due to the active life of the compound most users will administer nandrolone phenylpropionate every day or every other day. However one could inject the compound as little as once every four days with no significant changes to the blood levels of the drug. Nandrolone phenylpropionate can be used either in bulking or cutting cycles. The lack of water retention associated with the drug makes it particular favorable for those who do not want to deal with bloat while running anabolic steroids.

    The majority of inexperienced male users anecdotally report using 300-500mgs per week of the compound for their first cycle. Of course, these numbers can climb quite high depending on the level of experience that a user has with anabolics. Women also are able to use nandrolone phenylpropionate, as the potential and potency of the virilizing effects associated with the drug are quite muted if doses are kept moderate. Doses ranging from 50 to 200mgs per week have been anecdotally reported, but again these obviously can go higher.


    Risks/Side Effects

    Estrogenic effects are not a major concern with use of nandrolone. However it can cause progesterone-like effects in some users. Commonly reported sides effects associated with nandrolone are such things as acne/oily skin, insomnia, diarrhea, and nausea. These of course are coupled with the common side effects most often associated with anabolic steroids including testicular atrophy, gynecomastia (including lactation in some cases), and sexual dysfunction.

    To combat sexual dysfunction most users will stack testosterone with nandrolone. The obvious choice to be used with nandrolone phenylpropionate is testosterone propionate as both compounds will not cause the majority of users to retain much water. How much testosterone one would need to take to ward off side effect associated with use of nandrolone and lack of natural testosterone production varies from individual to individual. Some have anecdotally reported that a low dose similar to 200mgs per week is enough. Others state that they need to run several hundreds more milligrams per week of testosterone than nandrolone to combat the effects. There is a small minority of individuals that also report having no sexual dysfunction from the drug even while running it without any type of testosterone. This variance again demonstrates that individuals will react to a compound differently than others.

    Nandrolone is relatively safe in terms of a user's lipid profile and cholesterol. In some studies it has even been shown to actually improve HDL cholesterol levels (4). A major increase in a user's blood pressure or their liver toxicity should not be noticed with this compound either. Both are relatively mild in these respects.

    Since nandrolone is a progestinic anabolic steroid, some special precautions need to be taken to ensure that side effects do not get out of control. Using compounds such as bromcriptine, cabergoline and/or vitamin b6 have all been shown and reported to help lower prolactin levels. The drug femera (letrozole) is also effective for use with nandrolone as it will regulate the progesterone and estrogen receptors in the body, therefore preventing some of the negative side effects associated with the compound.

    A word of caution also for those that may plan on stacking nandrolone with trenbolone. Trenbolone is a strong progestin, much stronger than even nandrolone. By running these two compounds concurrently the user will suffer from extremely high levels of prolactin. This in turn will force the user to pay special attention to progesterone-like side effects and using compounds to prevent them, as well as having to run a particularly aggressive post-cycle therapy due to severe suppression of the hypothalamus pituitary testicular axis. Some users have anecdotally reported that they have suffered no ill effects of running the two compounds together, but it is a definite risk. One must weigh the costs versus the benefits.


    References


    1. Sundaram K, Kumar N, Monder C, Bardin CW., Different patterns of metabolism determine the relative anabolic activity of 19-norandrogens., J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1995 Jun;53(1-6):253-7.

    2. Bergink EW, Janssen PS, Turpijn EW, van der Vies J., Comparison of the receptor binding properties of nandrolone and testosterone under in vitro and in vivo conditions., J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jun;22(6):831-6

    3. Triantafillopoulos IK, Banes AJ, Bowman KF Jr, Maloney M, Garrett WE Jr, Karas SG. Nandrolone decanoate and load increase remodeling and strength in human supraspinatus bioartificial tendons. PMID: 15150040 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    4.Sattler FR, Schroeder ET, Dube MP, Jaque SV, Martinez C, Blanche PJ, Azen S, Krauss RM. Metabolic effects of nandrolone decanoate and resistance training in men with HIV. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Dec;283(6): E1214-22

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    Cliffs...
    Basically, deca with a half life very similair to propinate.

    Thoughts?

    Ive used deca before, but never NPP..
     
  2. Sgt. Ownage

    Sgt. Ownage you gon' be just fiiiine

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    yeah its good if youre already running prop...a good UG make a prop/npp 100mg/100mg blend
     
  3. JP®

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    Yeah.. Im getting a good deal on this stuff tho...
    Trading some extra prop I bought on sale ($40.00 per 20 ml) even for the same amount of NPP..
     
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    Sgt. Ownage you gon' be just fiiiine

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    you could get a 50ml 100/100 blend for 110
     
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    Thats a good price man.
     
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    Sgt. Ownage you gon' be just fiiiine

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    ugs are sweet
     
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    PurEvl going out gassed and not half assed...

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    for the joint health alone its worth it
     
  8. JP®

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    Ive got terrible shoulders.. this will help.
     
  9. Danny

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    NPP is good mostly see it used for a cutter....but either way its a good compound.Like PurEvl said before me it will help the joints like the decanoate ester one..
     
  10. JP®

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    Im currently cutting.
    I held alot of mass when I was off for a year.. I went back to the gym at 225lbs, and ive been leaning up,and gaining a bit of weight.. Im about 230lbs now, and at the very least, 5% less bf than I was.. I started at close to 20%, now im tops, 15%. Im starting to see some abs/obliques, and when I started back, i had grown quite a gut.
    Im happy with the prgress, but I think the NPP will be a nice addition.
     
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    Nice...yea I say you're good to to go man.I plan to use NPP on a cutter one of these times I hear great stuff about it so let me know how it goes.
     
  12. JP®

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    Ill keep posting progress pics... Even tho christophers and all the others like to cut me up for them.. thats ok tho.. Gives me motivation to keep working hard at it.
    I can see a difference in the pics from last month, and the pics from this month.. So im doing something right.

    Link to getting cut up for the first pics.

    http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=1850272
     
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    Sgt. Ownage you gon' be just fiiiine

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    you wont get it if you keep b6 high and nolva eod
     
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    Im just happy I got a call out in a thread title about illegal hormonal drugs... yaaay!
     
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    Bump...

    After a few days, im feeling this stuff kick. Definately ups the appetite.
     
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    how much u running? 100mg eod?
     
  17. JP®

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    About that.
     
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    Sgt. Ownage you gon' be just fiiiine

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    keep us posted on how it works out
     
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    Will do..
    Im keeping a compilationof pics, so ill post them all up with the dates they were taken, for refrence.
     
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    Sgt. Ownage you gon' be just fiiiine

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    have you used deca before
     
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    Yes, at a much higher dose. (700 mg)
     
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    Sgt. Ownage you gon' be just fiiiine

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    how does it compare?
     
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    Feels about the same so far really, only with deca, I would have to wait another week before I even got the hunger. This is the 3rd day.. Second shot.
    In order to compare it fairly, I should be doing 100 mg ed, but im using half that, so its hard to say. I know this much, however.

    - Sex drive has leveled out a bit, which is good, because before I was ready to fuck anything that moved within a block of me.

    - Hunger is WAY up. Painfully hungry, all the time. Last night, I ate every hour before bed. Then, at 3:00 am, I woke up with the worst huger pangs since last summer. Ate again, and at 6:00 am, I was up again, looking for food.

    Usually, these were two side effects that took place about week 2 or 3 of a deca cycle. So, fast ester for the win!

    I havent noticed a difference in the gym, because today I was taking it easy, due to sore traps, and it was shoulder day.. I also havent noticed any change in vascularity,(this could be due to the medication im taking for the trap pain as well) but I didnt with deca until week 5 or 6, so hopefully next week ill harden up a bit. I did however notice that I had no joint pain in my shoulders, and I have had for the past 3 delt workouts. Good stuff so far.
     
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    Does pinning EOD with Deca differ much from pinning once a week?
     
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    well, hes using nandrolone phenylprop with has the same half life as regular proprionate (although considerably heavier in weight than regular prop, boo hiss) and so with a half life of 3.5 days it needs to be pinned EOD, which regular deca is nandrolone decanoate , and that ester has a half life of 15 days :) , hope that clears up any confusion.
     
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