A&P Art, Porn, or Hot Photography? You decide.

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  1. MsBehavin

    MsBehavin New Member

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    *This was also posted on the "Hotties" thread. I just wanted a different audience and viewpoints.*
    Ok, my boyfriend and I are having a bit of a disagreement. He believes that the nude photos of chicks on here are "hot photography" and not "porn". I know he looks at porn. I know his house, 4 guys, has a subscription to Playboy and Maxim. I know there are pics of nude chicks from magazines all over their house. I don't mind. I, myself, have posed for nude photographs before. What I posed for served a different purpose. The main purpose was to help a friend who needed a subject for his black and white photography class in college. To me, those photographs were just art. There's certain males I wouldn't let see them though, because I know they wouldn't appreciate them from an art perspective(i.e. my manager, my friend's 17 year old brother, etc). Anyways, I think that the category that these nude photos are in depend on a number of subjective factors. It depends on what the intentions of the person taking the pictures are. It depends on what the intentions of the person posing are. It also depends on the intentions of the person viewing the pics. A straight male can sit here and look at these nude women with augmented breasts. I can sit and look at these nude women with augmented breasts. We are probably going to view them in two separate ways though. I can appreciate the girl's body, if natural. The guy is normally going to think she is hot and jerk off. To me, saying that these nude women(probably porn stars) are just hot photographs is just a cop out. I think that if he wants to look at them and masturbate, he should just say so and stop being a wuss.
     
  2. Sauterelle

    Sauterelle Guest

    I entirely agree with you. It definately depends on the person viewing it, the taste it was done in, and the intent of the photographs. Just recently I was in an old bookstore and found lots of nude photography books -- they were amazing to look through. When you look at nude photography, the intent is to feel something (that doesn't include a sexual arousal). The intent of porn is to make you aroused. Intentions and audience factor it all... But I agree with you.
     
  3. chlywly

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    First of all a lot of the pics in the hotties forum aren't porn, myself being a photographer and having done nudes b/w fine art nudes etc before I feel there is a difference.

    I'm not saying all of the photos posted in the hotties forum aren't porn as most are, but you can tell where some photographers take the pics for intent of pure sleezy arousal and others who employ a more artistic approach concentrating on the elements, shape form, colour etc.. Sure you can still get arroused by b/w and colour nudes... Heck I find them very arrousing, yet the intent and the means at which the photos are produced are different from that of porn.

    He doesn't necessarily look at those pics to jack off, why would you? I'd rather jack of to actual PORNO action...

    I look at the hotties forum to see "hotties", admire curves female form etc. :)
     
  4. MsBehavin

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    Thank you very much for your comments Chlywly. I do agree with you. I wish I could post the photos I got taken on here. I mainly shouldn't because I'm not sure the guy/artist who took them would appreciate it. When I was in high school I had NO self-esteem. My bf even bought me a book on how to increase your self-esteem. Now..it is a completely different story. I'd model for art pics 24/7 if I could. It's something I actually get pleasure out of doing. Anyways, I'm getting off on a tangent here. My bf and I have since agreed on this whole subject. :)
     
  5. chlywly

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    You're welcome :) Maybe you can get your b/f into photography by modeling for him... I took tons of pics of my ex's, helped them feel better about themselves also helped them appreciete photography to some extent, took some nudes etc.. Well worth it :)

    Good luck with your relationship.
     
  6. Spaulding Smails

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    Nude art appreciators are hypocrites...As a guy, do you people go around looking at nude art pictures of dudes so you can appreciate their body? The greeks did, but the majority of greeks were bisexual.

    Looking at nude photos of girls be it artistic or not will give you a hard on, and is just porn...

    Its always the high and mighty who believe they are "above" everyone else. Just like rich people are "eccentric" and not "crazy"

    "Porn" as the highbrows call it is simply the art of accentuating the elements or actions of a women that cause arrousal. The aim is arrousal, a physical connection made from observing the art.

    The highbrows may balance the shape and color of the body, use of lines, proportion blah blah blah to create an interesting piece, however the physical connection with the nude element makes it porn. Period.

    I'm not knocking it, i think the female body is a beautiful thing, but i refuse to be hypocritcal, or allow the highbrows to hide behind their perceived "enlightenment" towards looking at things.

    Case and point, Sauterelle is saying the point of nude photography is to produce "non-sexual" feelings. I'll say its BS, and all you people will call me a pervert. The greeks produced art of what they deemed the perfect human bodies in an attempt to appreciate the human form as well as sexuality.

    If looking at a perfect proportioned nude of the opposite sex doesn't give you a hard on, your probably gay, thats not a problem, but lets seperate the issues at hand...You'll point to nudes of old ladies and the random examples, but i think you get my point.

    I understand that there is more to nudes than simply causing arousal, however, to attempt to seperate it from "porn" is laughable.

    Its similar to classify people based on race. there are no races, no biological foundation for them, nor anything beyond a highbrow determining what is what, and who is who.

    Thanks for reading...
     
  7. chlywly

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    My friend apprecieting form, beauty and sexuality, paying "homage" and basking in pleasures of the flesh or simply eroticising ones image are two different things, people look at porn for one purpose to get arroused and to get off, people look at art whether it be nude or not for another purpose, I'm not going into this, but I'm a visual arts major and I do nude photography as well, so take it from someone who knowz his shit.

    You lack a very basic understanding of artistic expression, and at the same time making statments like "if you don't get a woody by looking at the nude, your gay" just proves your narrow mindedness.

    To you it is porn, so maybe you fall into the same catagory as the uncultured adults who look at a peice of abstract expressionism and say "My 3 year old child can do that" ... of course point being, no ones 3 year old child has ever or will ever do that, with intent and understanding.

    nice try though ;)
     
  8. chansigril

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    looking at a nude pic does not give me a hard-on, hasn't since i was in my early teens. now video... that's a different matter :) i do appreciate nude females, however, a photo hasn't been a masturbatory object for some years. your boyfriend may not be bs-ing.

    does looking at michelangelo's david make girls wet?

    have you ever taken a drawing course? i mean, with nude models? you quickly get over the sexual aspect of it, let me tell you, especially when the focii are not particularly pleasing to the eye. so is that porn? i think not. just my 2c, of course :)
     
  9. The Double M

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    Well, am I an "eccentric" "artist"? I do Pin-Up illustartion, some nudes, always tastfull, I hope. The human form can be an art form, if it is presented that way. Bad attempts at art, sometimes end up as porn, by nature of the quality of the artistic attempt. I have been an a proffesional Artist for over 10 years and it is how I make my living. So I'll stay "eccentric" as long as my audience likes my work, and gives me a paycheck!

    Scoot On... Marbles Mahoney

    http://www.marblesmahoney.com
     
  10. 2.5RS

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    What about if the photography is of young kids? Ever hear of Jock Sturges? He is quite famous, has several books of his photos out. And he takes photos of young kids, many without clothes.
     
  11. Mike Panic

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    said it before, say it again.

    "i'll know porn when i see it"

    thats it... there is no other way to put it
     
  12. Iconn31

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    i would have to say its all in the opinion of the viewer. some people say that showing more than the neck would be porn others would say you can walk around and have sex with anyone in public and thats not porn. art takes many forms. from maplethorp to dali. its all in the viewer that makes that choice.


    but all in all society at large amkes the final decision kindas like Ken park the movie a diffrent type of art but banned in the u.s. becuase of the nudity and the acts that were being showed but a good movie all in all. the director made KIDS so you can just imagine what this one is about.
     
  13. Merli

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    Link to your portfolio, so I know who's trying to lecture us on art appreciation?
     
  14. Merli

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    Oh, and I agree with Mike Panic... I know porn when I see it.

    Trying to quantify what constitutes porn and what constitutes nude art is an argument for "wannabe art-intellectuals". There's no clear cut line that you can define in 3 or 4 paragraphs on an internet forum, trying to do so just proves how redundant you are.

    There are just too many aspects to the artwork (yes, even porn is art) that will either relegate it to the "pr0n" bin or the "art" gallery.

    As for danknuggs, yes... I can appreciate artwork of a nude male form, but I find the female form much more appealing, being soft and curvy with flowing lines, rather than the hard edged male physique. Also I find that not many modern day artists are very proficient in bringing out the best aspects and angles of the male body and therefore their art isn't accessible to me. Hence I prefer to view female nude art given the choice.
     
  15. sonofsam

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    if shot so people can :wackit: its porn
    if its shot and put in a gallery or art book, or whatever, its art
     

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