A&P Art or Porn?

Discussion in 'Lifestyle' started by 2.5RS, Sep 30, 2003.

  1. 2.5RS

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    I am sure that any of you photographers out there are aware of who Jock Sturges is and what he takes photos of.

    So, question; is it art or child porn?
     
  2. Kronos

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    Haven't seen his work, never heard of him.
     
  3. 2.5RS

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    Look him up on the net, he is very famous.
     
  4. Ballast

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    i think that if you have to ask (especially when it involves children), you should consider it porn. better to be safe than be in jail....
     
  5. 2.5RS

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    Jock Sturges has several books published (that sell at Barnes and Noble) and shows in galleries around the world.

    His subject matter is what is up for debate here.
     
  6. 2.5RS

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    Why do you think we have such a hang up about human bodies in this country?
     
  7. barnold999

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    I would say Art.

    Feds, when relating to Michael Jackson: Porn (he had books similar to this and the Feds didnt like it)

    Anyways, I would say art, but it does raise an interesting issue, where is the line between nudity and porn drawn, whether in adults or children.

    I think photography children nude is interesting, cause he is taking children (inocence) in its purest form.

    But, then I had a convresation earlier today... why are the genitals considered "private" why do people consider it such (yes bible blah blah... but beyond that)

    Just my view points.
     
  8. Sauterelle

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    I think it is art, but, as mentioned, where do you draw the line between art and porn? No matter what, the human body is a work of art and should be regarded as such. As for children...well...that's a touchy one... Don't know what to say on that.
     
  9. Joe

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    it's more of the motive behind the work... i'm not familar with sturges's work, so i can only assume

    if he is trying to express and discuss issues of innocence, purity, and other preconcieved notions of childhood, then i don't think most people would have a problem with it

    it's because of the morals set by the reliqious founders of this country have an issue with people having sexual feelings toward what they believed are young and innocent people that should be protected.

    the general public will be in an uproar if a picture of a child is taken out of sexual desire or some sort of "perverted" action...

    the term art has changed so much in the past, and is also so confused by people, that alot of the time, people will call things they don't understand or don't want to confront art and move on.

    where is the line? there isn't a set line. everyone has different mindsets and opinions of what is pornographic and no longer 'art'

    to me, if someone is causing you to consider this line, and that is their intention, then good for them... "does it bug you more that duchamp called a urinal art or that you're debating over a fucking urinal?" (my favorite quote of the week)
     
  10. Mike Panic

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    we had an interesting discussion on this not so long ago here - http://www.iphotoforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2533&highlight=jock+sturges - but maybe its cause im an american, or maybe it was how i was raised... but to me, even though his work is extremely high in quality, the subject matter is still naked children and i think jock is using his gift of photography to fuel his pedophila.

    the old saying goes, "i dont know how to explain what porn is, but i'll know it when i see it" and this my friends, is child porn in my eyes
     
  11. 2.5RS

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    Some interesting comments.

    I know porn when I see it as well Mike, and I don't see that any of J. Sturges photos are taken with sex or sexuality as a central theme. So I do not see them as such.
     
  12. MsBehavin

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    I am one who can appreciate a nude woman for art, but I don't see this as art. Maybe I am just close-minded. I have posed for nude photographs before and I never once felt like it was porn. I don't have to think twice about Jock Sturges though.
     

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