MIL Army SMP?

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  1. Casino

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    I'm in Army ROTC right now (sophomore) and I'm thinking about joining the National Guard. I started reading about SMP and it sounds like exactly what I want. I get to start out as enlisted and then become an officer when I graduate. I want to be in the NG so I can start my career as a full time cop right when I get out of college. Anyone have any experience with SMP or the NG or have anything to say about them? Also what's it going to be like trying to get a job as a cop while I'm in the NG? Will it help me or will it be a negative since it means a lot of time off? I already talked to Ranger about the NG so I wanna see if anyone else has anything else to say.

    BTW I would enlist in the infantry.
     
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    You sound like me 15 years ago. I'm glad I grew up. Today my mantra is "Fuck the Infantry."
     
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    ALL of you FOG's say that. "WTF are you stupid, kid? make the military TEACH you something instead of being a FUCKIN GRUNT." dad and brother both tell me this ALL the time. :mamoru:
     
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    You dyslexic? Field Officer Grade? :confused:
     
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    fuckin. old. guys. sorry, thought it was used like WTF or LOL; you know, often.
     
  6. Why don't you SMP without enlisting so you can finish college without getting deployed? Do you have a scholarship through ROTC or no?
     
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    I really dont see the point of you enlisting since you are pretty much going to be signed on as a cadet in your junior year. Being enlisted to me means going through basic and AIT, spending some time as a lower enlisted, getting yelled at, and down and dirty with the work. I doubt you will have that opportunity since you're going the officer route. The benefits to being SMP is that you get some PL time in your unit and you get to make some money on the side through drills and ROTC stipend. Also it gives you the option to choose the branch you want as well as receive a 10k bonus if you commission into the guard. Honestly, you could start drilling with a NG unit without having to go through basic. Just talk to your PMS or recruiter. As for your cop career, depending on your location It will actually help your placement score because soldiers automatically get a certain amount of points.
     
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    No ROTC scholarship, but you can't get deployed while in SMP.
     
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    you should do it. I did it back when i was going to school. The benefits really out weigh the costs. (ie. some actual experience, eligible for new gi bill since you aren't taking federal money for school, and a nice pay raise when you get on to AD) also you won't really be enlisted, you will shadow an officer.
     
  10. No, if you enlist and are not a scholarship cadet you can and possibly will get deployed. From everything I have been told unless you are a scholarship cadet, either through ROTC or the National Guard then you are up for deployments. I could be wrong but this is from everything I have been presented about doing both ROTC and Guard. Look into it.
     
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    I looked into it, I'm positive I can't be deployed.
     
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    No. FNG I would have understood.
     
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    Can't get the pocket $2k /yr scholarship with SMP either :hsd:
     
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    I don't care about that, my school cost so much $2k wont make a dent in the tuition.
     
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    I am SMP right now, one other thing that is nice is when you get done and graduated you will have 3 years of service in, while the other cadets have none once they commission. the money is OK.. once school gets rolling I am extrememly busy with engineering and now my s-3 position I dont have much time to spend money but it gets me by and im able to buy a few beers on the weekend. all in all.. if your going to do ROTC or want to become an officer period, do SMP.. and DONT take a scholarship.. dumb idea
     
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    negative. I was in this position myself 3 years ago when my unit considered deploying me as a cadet. If you have completed at least one semester of ROTC with the transcriot to prove it, and plans on continuing with the program then you are non-deployable. If you are drilling with a unit as a cadet, they should have you in TTHS status. You are only deployable if you volunteer yourself to go, in which case you would have to be TPU transferred back into the unit as an e4. The procedures might have change since I commissioned, but I do know for a fact that cadets with an intention of finishing the program are non-deployable.
     
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    I agree that all future cadets, do SMP.

    If you want to STAY in the national guard, they have an ROTC scholarship and the national guard smp program, basically for instance if the Natty girl pays for tuition, ROTC will pay your room and board (or $$ comparable to). But the downside is you HAVE to stay national guard.

    You can do SMP while you are in ROTC as a non scholarship cadet and you can still go active duty.

    The semantics of the SMP is a cluster, but YOU CAN NOT get deployed once you are a CONTRACTED cadet (has nothing to do with scholarships)

    Depending on which oath you execute first NG or ROTC also plays a role too if for instance you ever get med boarded at LDAC. If you entered the ROTC contract prior to NG, then is an inherent stipulation that you are only joining the NG for the purpose of SMP and becoming an officer. If you execute NG contract first then ROTC you don't have the technical right. And they have a stronger case of keeping you in as enlisted (remember enlisted medical standards are less than officers, thus you can get denied appointment, but forced to serve your enlisted contract) Just some things to think about.

    What I would do is do your ROTC thing, or chill out and don't do it at all. Tell them you want to go to the basic course. Come back after sophomore year, contract as a non scholarship cadet, then walk over to the national guard recruiter (often in the same building) and tell them you want to sign up for SMP.
     
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