Arguments for Vinyl?

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  1. Drake Thornn

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    Hi, I'm not an audiophile or even someone that knows a lot about sound or HT. I'd just like something clarified. In an age of digital music production are Vinyls essentially useless?

    It is my understanding that people argue that Vinyls are superior to CD's because of they're analogue nature, (could this be interpreted as a infinite sample rate as the sound has a continuous definition?)

    Now, I've read that since the 70's master recordings are on DAT, which are by definition digital, and I'm thinking they'd have some stupidly high sample rate, but I've read they're only done at 48khz, now this is barely any better than that of CD's.

    Does this throw the previous argument for vinyls out the window? Or is there something I'm horribly oblivious to or unaware of or just plain wrong about?
     
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    In for article read later.


    But, as a person who uses vinyl in my system it is just different.

    There are advantages of going with each format, CD are obviously much easier and require less equipment. But, to me vinyl is fun.
     
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    And there is no other reason to run vynil. If you like tinkering and a lot of equiptment then have at it. Otherwise, modern music formats do not seem to sacrafice soundquality to my ears.
     
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    No there are a lot of differences.

    I'm not going to get into a pissing match of which sounds better, because to be honest neither and both sound better. But, when I listen to Little Feat's "Dixie Chicken" on Waiting for Columbus, the Vinyl sounds much better than the CD. The same is true for Delbert McClinton, AC/DC, Power Station, and various other bands.

    But, Tom Petty's Wildflowers is hit or miss, which is weird since this is the only album I have that does this. "Crawling Back to You" sounds different but equally awesome on CD/Vinyl. But, Cabin Down Below and Wreck Me sound better on CD.

    But, a few things like Judas Priest, Rob Palmer, and others sound obviously better on CD.

    Just somethings I have noticed and observed.
     
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    I'm not arguing either but I will say that though it may not be indistinguishable, either can be tweaked and tuned to sound equally good. Had you not compared to the two side by side you wouldnt know that it isnt "good sound."

    It may be your personal preference or who mastered which alblum. I have a few bob marley CD's that sound great. The same song, same track on a different CD sounds terrible in comparison. When my dad had vynil he had the same songs on vynil. I dont remember the vynil recordings being any better than my good CD's.

    The same goes for my pink floyd CD vs dark side of the moon vynil. Or my zepplin or AC/DC tracks. One track can sound great on one CD and "terrrible" on another.

    :)
     
  7. TroubleMan

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    Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab vinyl crushes most cd's in sound quality.

    Unless the format on cd is DDD or MFSL, some vinyl will sound better.
    You simply can't beat the sound quality of a mint vinyl, on a quality turntable, tube amps, and quality speakers. Unless the cd's are tweaked very good, not just recorded LOUD.
     
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    I agree up to the tube amps part...

    :naughty:
     
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    I like vinyl. It's fun, it's a more tactile way of listening to music and makes it more involving. Lots of people just put some shit on and listen to the headphones on an ipod while doing something else, but I enjoy music, and would sit down and listen to a record solely to just listen to the music.
     
  10. Zeromancer

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    SRV on vinyl > SRV on cd.
    Portishead on vinyl rules
    Steely Dan - Aja 180g vinyl rules
    Anyways I love vinyl. It sounds good to my ears. I like the physical involvement of putting a record on.
    I have an entire vintage stereo system that is put together for mostly vinyl listening only. Nothing like coming home and putting on a record and mellowing out.
    A majority of modern cd releases sound too loud, harsh, and brite.
    It leads me to ear/listening fatigue.
    Not saying there weren't any shitty vinyl releases but vinyl doesn't give me any type of listening fatigue.
    I do enjoy dvd-a, sacd's, and newly released blu-ray concert discs.
    Higher bit-rates sound more natural to an analog sound to my ears.
    I still listen to mp3's but that is only because of the convenience of HD storage space.
     
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    Zeromancer Pampita's Love Slave

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    Have you ever heard a good tube amp setup?
    I'm too poor to afford even a decent tube amp.
     
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    A couple of my dad's friends are big tube guys. Listened to their systems and they sound fantastic. I have nothing against tubes and think a properly executed tube system sounds generally amazing.

    But, I'll always be a SS guy at heart. A little because I to am too poor to afford a decent tube amp...
     
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    I agree with ya!
    :bigthumb:
    are you a member on audiokarma forum board?
     
  14. Zeromancer

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    I want NIN - Ghosts on vinyl:(
    limited editions on vinyl already sold out.
     
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    Zeromancer Pampita's Love Slave

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    about to put on some Portishead.
    perfect listening for a rainy day!
     
  16. Drake Thornn

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    the reason why I bring this up is because I was one of the lucky ones to have gotten the Ultra Deluxe Limited Edition version. :)

    The link above was a good read.
     
  17. deusexaethera

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    Those differences have nothing to do with the medium and everything to do with the recording engineer who fucked with the recording before mastering it.

    Vinyl's only inherent advantages are 1) if you break it, it's no big loss, and 2) it's virtually impossible to erase it accidentally. I guess it's also good for DJs, but for anyone who's just playing back recordings start-to-finish, CDs are vastly better.
     
  18. Zeromancer

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    Losing some of my vinyl would be a big loss :(
    CD's aren't necessarily better. Depends on the amount of compression used and the recording engineer.
    CD's are easier to store and maintain. Vinyl takes a lil more care and time, which I am happier to do.
    A vintage turntable with a new cartridge/needle sounds like magic to my ears.
    If we are going to talk about digital formats, then dvd-a > cds. Plus I sometimes get listening fatigue while listening to cds.
    Also with the release of concerts and albums on blu-ray, sound quality has risen to a new level. Not knocking cds, but there are better formats out there now.

    I'll still alwasy rock out vinyl.
    I was playing Jackson Browne - Late For The Sky lp a few minutes ago.
    :bowdown::bowdown:
     
  19. joetama

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    Zeromancer what turntable and cartridge do you run?
     
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    I work right down the street from a VERY high end home audio shop.

    They have a closed in room dedicated to people that still believe in a 2 channel set up. They have about three tube amp set ups in that room. McIntosh amps and vacume tube cd players, vacumre tube amps and B&W speakers. Two set ups with turntables. The prices are INSANE. But wow they sound good.

    I just have a Yamaha set up with an old school yamaha turntable, and JBL L5 series speakers from the early 90's.
     
  21. joetama

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    Places like that make us all dream...

    But, to be 100% honest it isn't about the equipment you have, how much you've spent, or how old everything is; it is about how much you enjoy it! I think people forget that sometimes.

    WOW 44 posts since 05 you are more of a troller than me... :wavey:
     
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    Just played some Aphex Twin-Drukqs action over the weekend.. It's just so wicked.:bigthumb:
     
  23. TroubleMan

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    Agreed. Just making conversation here.
     
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    What is a troller? I only post in this section for the most part. Audio is my intrest.
     
  25. Zeromancer

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    maybe he meant to say lurker.
    If vintage audio is your interest then check out audiokarma forum board.
     

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