Are there studies showing a large correlation between benching and shoulder probs?

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  1. therealdeal

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    My bro says that his doctor told him to only bend your arms out to 90 because its hard on your shoulders. I say thats total bullshit and that of course you could injure yourself, as you could in any sport. But is there some sort of major correlation?
     
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    yeah
     
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    usually shoulder tears and problems have to do with muscle imbalances and weak stabilizer muscles.
     
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    benching with heavy weight is absolutely terrible for your shoulders, not saying dont do it but if shoulder health was my prime concern i definitely wouldnt bench
     
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    I think timber posted one a month or so ago.
     
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    of course, people that use thier body will show a correlation to an injury when compared to fat blobs, however appropriate weighting might better show a more accurate correlation.

    Its very, very, very difficult to do accurate research on anything. Of course weight lifting will show a higher propensity to tissue injuries, but you have to examine further to find if there is any real validity to the study.

    Lifting correctly will keep risk factors low for any injury.

    If you want accurate data, I suggest consulting technical databanks for studies conducted by graduate students...anything else typically features marketting and money as a confoudning variable.
     
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    Working your way up to target weight is a must. Start low, and gradually work your way up. Typically muscle tissue and strength are more durable than connecting hardware in the body (tendons, ligaments...). Should articulations are great for strengthening the entire muscle group, but the whole body should recieve this attention. My weakest point in my body are my forearms, so I'm conditioning them to do the extreme work. I haven't started yet, but something like cissus will propably help immensly to prevent injury.

    I'm not an expert, but I've tried to do my homework.
     
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    Thats what I would have thought too.
     
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    Would you do bench halfway? :hsugh:
     
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    yeah, it's called board pressing

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    Do people who board press not do full bench or something? I thought board press was for working on the lockout type phase of regular bench.
     
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    Or floor pressing.
     
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    i have always had shoulder problems, i started at a really low weight benching to work up my muscle strength in my shoulders.

    my shoulders are my main holdback to putting up heavy weight :o
     
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    It's kind of hard to do heavy shoulder workouts if you're prone to shoulder injury.
     
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    I would think DB bench is worse on your shoulders than the standard BB bench.
     
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    In order from least problematic to most:

    Body Weight Push-up > Weighted Push-up > Cable Crossover from Low Pulley > Cable Crossover from Hip Height > Neutral Grip DB Floor Press > Neutral Grip Decline DB Press > Pronated Grip Decline DB Press > Barbell Floor Press > Decline Barbell Press > Flat DB Press > Incline DB Press > Barbell Bench Press > Barbell Incline Press > DB Military Press > Barbell Military Press/Push Press > Behind the Neck Presses


    The rationale for these progressions are:

    a) The scapular and humeral stabilizers are most effective in closed chain positions (justifying the push up).
    b) Impingement symptoms are most likely to be aggravated with flexion and/or abduction of the humerus beyond 90-degrees.
    c) Traction (pulling the humeral head away from the glenoid fossa, as with a cable crossover) is less traumatic to the previously injured muscles than approximation (forcing the humeral head into the fossa).
    d) Internal rotation (as seen with pronated grips) mechanically decreases the subacromial space, increasing the risk of re-injury.
     
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    :cool: Good read - I am having some bad shoulder issues at the moment so this helps a lot. Feels like I am being shocked when I lift anything heavy.
     
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    well i have been, isn't easy :hs:
     
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    Nothing makes my shoulder feel better more than traction work with a jumpstretch band
     
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    Thats basically what I meant. But its a sticking point higher up in the lift, as opposed to doing DE work which I thought was for sticking points lower in the lift. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
     
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    Super good post Ceaze, as usual very informative.
     
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    I love you ceaze.
     
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