GUN AR15s and hunters. V. Could this be the trend that saves the AR from another AWB?

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  1. Ghostrider4450

    Ghostrider4450 New Member

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    After reading numerous articles on the subject, it dawned on me that this new trend could be the very thing that saves the myriad AR15 variants from being slapped with the "evil assault rifle, that has no purpose and cant be used for hunting" brand that helped to get them banned in 1994.

    With so many options like the .458 Socom, 6.8 SPC, .300 RSAUM, Remington's new "hunting" R15 in .223 and .204 Ruger, AR-10 variants in .308 and so many other .22 cal/varmint adaptations it would be ignorant to believe that the AR-15 does not play a big role in American gun culture, particularly now with more and more hunters.

    With all this in mind, wouldnt it be much harder for the gun grabbers to try and paint the rifle with such a bad image as they did in the mid nineties? The AR platform wasnt nearly as popular then as it is now, and didnt fill nearly as many roles. I mean aside from hunters alone, people use them all the time now for competition shooting (F-class shooting comps, ect).

    Could this be the trend that keeps the gun grabbers from successfully spewing their bullshit, and getting them banned again?
     
  2. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    No, it's still an evil black rifle.
     
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    It's still semi-auto.

    Obama, for one, wants all semi-autos gone.
     
  4. Ghostrider4450

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    But again unlike the nineties, the "black rifle" community is much larger and widespread now than it ever was, which I think will make it much harder for gun grabbers to up and get rid of.
     
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    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    But the people do, which changes things.
     
  7. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    I'm sorry, you must not live in the US because if you did, you would realize that what the people want has no impact on what the government does.
     
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    Y2kAccord Everything happens for reasons I just dont know

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    I think heller will protect the ar15 from any future awb.
     
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    I am choosing not to become completely apathetic about the situation. I do feel you though.
     
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    Worse yet, it's a magazine-fed semi-auto that's more or less the same as a OMFG MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE (save for the absence of a happy switch).

    I honestly suspect that if there were another semi-auto rifle out there that were similarly popular, not based on a military rifle, not chambered in a military cartridge, and the magazines both cost ~5-10x as much and had a low capacity (ala typical hunting rifles), the hysteria would be much lower.
     
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    that's called a mini 14 isn't it?
     
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    idleprocess Bring a dollar with you baby in the cold cold grou

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    I wish I could agree, but the Heller decision wasn't unanimous, and the case seems to only address de facto prohibition ala the DC permitting system where almost no one could obtain a permit. "Reasonable restrictions" are still legal under the second.
     
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    idleprocess Bring a dollar with you baby in the cold cold grou

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    Chambers .223/5.56x45 and 7.62x39. While its magazines are pricier than AR magazines, they're also more than the ~5 rounds you see in hunting rifles.

    Also looks skeery.
     
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    Also the AR-15 serves no sporting purpose, except NRA high power, uspsa 3 gun, varmiting, and hunting.

    What it comes down to is that politicians can't do anything about crime so lets attack an inanimate object. Things that would actually improve the situatation with crime such as improving the economy, creating more jobs, improving education, offering trade schools and job placement for unemployed are just too difficult.
     
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    I'm not sure why you mention the number of votes but... A ban on a complete class of weapons was struck down based on the popularity of the weapon of question. The ar15 is the definition of popular.
     
  18. Ford4Life

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    The AWB wasn't a total ban of ownership though, like in Heller. Only restricted mags, flash hiders, etc. Unless a future ban would outlaw actual possession of any AR style rifle, I don't see Heller coming into play and would likely fall under the "reasonable restrictions" gray area.

    Obama's plan of banning all semi-auto's is another story, I think you'd see Heller there big time.
     
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    Failure for attempting to use logic.
     
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    I'd buy that argument if we saw ar15's with 10 round mags, no hiders, fixed stocks, etc in common use but the guns in common use are the configurations that would be attempted to be banned. No doubt we'll see tests of many aspects of heller but I don't think an AWB would fly. Its largely academic for the time being anyway though because the public support isn't there for a federal awb and we don't have incorporation yet.
     
  21. Ford4Life

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    If Obama is elected, there will be another ban of some sort. It doesn't really matter if public opinion supports it or not, has never stopped them before.
     
  22. THT

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    Currently, congressional support doesn't exist for another AWB and it's more important than the POTUS.
     
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    Now if only all those stupid AWB-reauthorization/rehashed bills would stop attracting sponsors in committee...
     
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    idleprocess Bring a dollar with you baby in the cold cold grou

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    Historically, 9-0 decisions are much stronger than divided decisions.
     
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    Now guys I'm on your side but stuff like this makes you sound a little out there. Don't forget that you're talking about whores for votes. To say that they don't care what the public thinks makes you sound like a loon. Speaking of "never stopped them before" though what ban has pased against public opinion?
     

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