antagonistic exercises???

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  1. dave.b.gtt

    dave.b.gtt New Member

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    i understand that a flat barbell bench press and a seated rows are antagonistic exercises in regards to each other

    althought if i want to set the press at an incline of 15 or 30deg and still have an exact antagonistic exercise in regards to the row, do i do the row face down on the same bench with the same angle???

    i cant quite figure it out. so any help here is welcome

    cheers
    dave
     
  2. MaineSucks

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    stop thinking so much

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  3. Anabolic Pop-Tarts

    Anabolic Pop-Tarts New Member

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    12. The answer is 12.
     
  4. dave.b.gtt

    dave.b.gtt New Member

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    why?
     
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    because unless you're a competition level bb'er its not that big of a deal and teh difference in bench angle will have little to no effect
     
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    please continue.....

    in the particular article i just read it matters.
     
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    Pics of your ripped 280lb physique squatting 900 lbs or STFU!!!



    seriously, it doesnt matter.
     
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    ok. then tell me why it doesnt

    i just want to know why. whats the point of tellin me it doesnt matter and then leave it at that.
     
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    Because it is an absolutely minute detail that makes about a 0.00000000000001% difference in the end. There are probably a thousand other things wrong with your training and diet that you should focus on.
     
  10. dave.b.gtt

    dave.b.gtt New Member

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    right ok. what do you mean in the end?

    and you know this about me how?

    some people happen to think it matters and i have read some of those opinions so why not actually tell me why it doesnt matter(in your opinion)?
     
  11. Anabolic Pop-Tarts

    Anabolic Pop-Tarts New Member

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    Let's start over.

    Welcome to F&N, why don't you tell us a little about yourself. What are your current fitness goals? How far have you progressed in attaining those goals?

    If you'd like to post your current routine, it might help inform our responses.
     
  12. turbo35

    turbo35 haters gonna hate

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  13. 4cd-Air

    4cd-Air Rape seemed like the next logical step

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    Welcome to OT Fitness and Nutrition


    get used to it

    it's not treated as a serious forum anymore anyway
     
  14. dave.b.gtt

    dave.b.gtt New Member

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    thanks

    i am 5ft 7
    current weight 75kg
    previous weight 58kg
    body fat went from 17.6 to 13.3
    used madcows 5*5 for the last 35 weeks. (2 sets 0f 15 weeks and a short break)
    squat 85kg for 5 past parallel not quite atg
    dead 120kg for 5 not a touch and go
    bench 60kg for 5 with split second pause at bottom
    ohp 35kg for 5
    pendelay row 50kg for 5 not touch and go
    all these weights do not include a 20kg bar used.(not that it matters)

    my final goal is to reach 85kg with around 10%bf


    i have read all stickies and archives and learnt a fair bit from them
    and have enjoyed my time in F&N so far.

    i am pleased to meet you all.
     
  15. dave.b.gtt

    dave.b.gtt New Member

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    and i have a fuckin terrible posture which i would like to correct too.
     
  16. kit99bar

    kit99bar USPA Class 2, weak, old man!

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    link to your article? I want to read it.
     
  17. ralyks

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    So basically you don't have a base. Sleep more. Eat more. Lift more.
     
  18. kilian

    kilian You've got quite a treasure there in that Horadric OT Supporter

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    OH FUCKIN RLY?! NOWAI!
     
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    Well it's 15 degrees if a man but 30 if woman. But if 30 for 15 degrees is too much then 20 for 15.
     
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    figure it out in terms of what muscles you are using for the agonist, then work the antagonist
     
  21. ACLdestroyer

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    The degree at which you work the antagonist muscle group is not so specific that you should worry about...................Oh fuck it. Stop thinking so much.

    Just do some compound movements and stfu.
     
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    yeah dude!! stop thinking so much!! becoming more knowledgable about weight lifting is for fucking keyboard jockies!!! fuck you, mr i want to learn more about advanced weight lifting techniques keyboard jockey.
     
  23. Uglybob69

    Uglybob69 I miss beer.

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    I'd say a good concept for nearly everything is K.I.S.S. and lifting isn't too much different IMO. My total isn't large enough to have a fitness opinion.

    And what the hell @ pussyhurt faggots coming out of the woodwork for this one.

    edit: If you're doing back the same day as chest your gains probably will suffer if you're doing a bodybuilding type split (I did a worthless program I made up myself for 8 months and this was the case). Also, if you do a lot of heavy back work you're going to work the antagonist by default.
     
  24. CPop

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    If for some reason you really care, just do lat pull downs and lean back a little. I don't think it matters though. Also, the antagonistic exercise for a bench IMO would be a chest supported row using bench width grip. I do tend to train my lats using my bench grip but I don't think a whole lot more about it than that.
     
  25. MaineSucks

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    Its kind of interesting how the only people that care about cutting edge lifting techniques and the latest movements are either:
    a) new lifters (and by new I mean less than 2 years in the gym)
    b) small
    c) weak
    d) all of the above.

    Yet, the guys with tenure who are big strong or lean (or all of the above) stick to the absolute basics and laugh at everyone else doing swiss ball single arm dumbell presses who bitch about not making gains.
     
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