MMA And here comes the tuck

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  1. SCirone

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    Athletic commissions are not perfect auditors. Drug use can be masked in a variety of ways, and a urine test is not as sensitive a technique as drawing blood. But they do a decent job, as evidenced by the numerous (alleged) substance users ousted over the years.

    Where the system begins to break down is when athletes or their management fancy themselves co-conspirators in that process. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. demanded that Manny Pacquiao undergo a specific pre and post-fight test protocol that was to his liking; now Fedor Emelianenko’s handlers are demanding the same of Alistair Overeem.

    Mixfight.nl spoke with M-1’s Apy Echteld about a possible Overeem fight, which has been rumored for months but appears vague in light of Overeem’s absence from his Strikeforce heavyweight title. Overeem, Echteld said, would have to be tested leading into the fight.

    While several commissions make a habit of this, particularly for main event fighters, not all do -- some test only after the bout’s conclusion. It’s unclear whether Echteld is demanding Overeem be tested several weeks or months out, which would preclude him (again for the lawyers: hypothetically) cycling on and off a drug regimen.

    Either way, it’s a fairly gross trespass of an athlete’s responsibilities. Emelianenko is a combatant, not a promoter or state official. He is not at liberty to mandate how a commission processes fighters, approves their apparel, checks their knee wraps, or anything else that’s governed by an existing body. Likewise, if he’s unhappy with how a state handles organization, he’s free to compete elsewhere.

    The more I hear about this fight, the less chance there appears to be of ever actually seeing it.
     
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    fedor ducking lesnar imo
     
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    Overeem on steroids? Preposterous.
     
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    Can't blame him
     
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    So his reps are asking for (totally understandable) testing and Fedor is the out-of-line asshole? I seriously doubt he cares whether Overoid is tested or not before he snaps his beefy arm
     
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    a fighter can ask whatever the fuck he wants, it's a negotiation. There is nothing wrong with asking for more stringent drug tests especially when we have fighters like Overeem and Pacquiao out there using PEDs to get a leg up
     
  8. dengar

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    Fuck Overeem...the steriod monkey....
    There is nothing wrong with him being tested leading upto the fight...
     
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    I love how Fedor is being made out to be the bad guy when his representation is asking for perfectly justified testing of a suspected used prior to their supposed bout.

    Maybe if commissions had done their job in the first place and Overeem truly has nothing to hide the fighters wouldn't need to speak out like this. Personally I'm glad he's getting called out, because if this fight never happens we will know why.
     
  11. dengar

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    Because M1 doesn't want it to happen?
     
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    No because they want it to be a fair fight. Its not just fighter vs fighter. Its about an unbeaten fighter in 32 bouts. They dont want to lose his legacy to someone that is on roids. Fight will not happen because Juiced monkey is juiced.
     
  13. dengar

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    They didn't have a problem signing a fight with Barnett with no additional testing in place and he was a known steroid user.
     
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    The fight was set to take place in the US and Barnett was tested before the fight wasn't he? This is a bit different imo, this is about a guy who hasn't fought in the US since 07 and for all we know hasn't been tested since then.

    Besides, if the fight doesn't happen it's because Overeem refuses the test not because M1 asks for it. If dude has nothing to hide or understands his cycles and is confident he will pass, then he will do it no prob.
     
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    Incorrect. The athletic commission or whatever jurisdiction oversees the fights decides what the testing process is. The fighters and/or their managers don't.

    How did those kinds of demands work out for Mayweather's camp?
     
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    while i think commissions should be more effective, this isnt exactly true. The organization has decision making authority into additional testing. And in a situation where the commission is asleep at the wheel I see no problem in a fighter demanding stricter testing procedure to ensure they are in a fare fight.

    with that said, i think this is all M1 being M1 and its sad. Overeem can take all the roids he wants and it isnt going to help his chin hold up to Fedor's overhand right.
     
  18. dengar

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    If Strikeforce wants to step in and demand additional testing, I have no problem with it.
     
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    This. Its not the fighters or managers jobs to demand more testing
     
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    This is perfect. The fight won't happen, and it will do two things in one fell swoop:

    Validate overeem as a roid monkey
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    Expose fedor as an epic dick-tucker

    :rofl:
     
  21. SCirone

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    All Overeem has to say is "Im not going to let another fighter dictate how the fight happens" and he is validated
     
  22. GreatDeceiver

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    Completely disagree. This fight would be the biggest that Strikeforce ever had/will have in the near future and it would not be in their interest to potentially have an Affliction situation where one of the two key guys gets busted and their show falls apart. Like you guys always say about Dana and the UFC, in the end it's a business.

    So who is it up to to make sure that fighters follow the rules if the comissions are sleeping and the org is looking the other way? Definitely not Overeem's camp, so who does that leave? Should everyone just ignore it and continue hanging on the shrunken nuts of a cheating fighter?
     
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    Validated as a roid monkey. I completely agree :h5:
     
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    So all US athletic commissions are doing a shitty job or are you just referring to a situation where this fight happens under the Dream banner?
     

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