an argument against viewing your relationships as investments (via poem)

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  1. JohnJohnJohnson

    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    ... where a break-up defines the relationship as, in sum, a failure.

    i don't like that point of view because
    since we all want to avoid failure it means hedging your bets and weighing idiotic little details like you're buying emotional stock that has no intrinsic value other than to accrue interest so that you meet a certain milestone.

    in other words: if you view LTR's this way, then you are missing the point.

    the argument:

    Failing and Flying

    by Jack Gilbert

    Everyone forgets that Icarus also flew.

    It's the same when love comes to an end,

    or the marriage fails and people say

    they knew it was a mistake, that everybody

    said it would never work. That she was

    old enough to know better. But anything

    worth doing is worth doing badly.

    Like being there by that summer ocean

    on the other side of the island while

    love was fading out of her, the stars

    burning so extravagantly those nights that

    anyone could tell you they would never last.

    Every morning she was asleep in my bed

    like a visitation, the gentleness in her

    like antelope standing in the dawn mist.

    Each afternoon I watched her coming back

    through the hot stony field after swimming,

    the sea light behind her and the huge sky

    on the other side of that. Listened to her

    while we ate lunch. How can they say

    the marriage failed? Like the people who

    came back from Provence (when it was Provence)

    and said it was pretty but the food was greasy.

    I believe Icarus was not failing as he fell,

    but just coming to the end of his triumph.
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    Ikarus was a hubristic young man who attempted to fly like the Gods and was subsequently knocked from the sky by (I believe it was) Apollo, the sun god.
     
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    that's actually really interesting / a great allusion. Icarus was told by his father as they were fleeing Crete to follow him and do exactly what he did, but Icarus ignored his father and tried to fly as high as he could. He flew too close to the sun and his wax wings melted and he fell.
     
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    :) love the poem! I don't see it as a failure. It is always an adventure that may have to end. It is only a loss if you have not gained something from it or have not been changed by it. I feel as humans we are constantly changing whether we know it or not. And we constantly gain knowledge from these experiences to know what to do or not to do in the future...Nothing is a failure...
     
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    :werd:

    it's like saying the movie Iron Man failed because it ended
     
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    ^spoilers :hs:

    I LOVED the game Kid Icarus :eek4:
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    NCS, what do you think about this?

    lurker :squint:
     
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    thats awesome man. i needed to hear something like that today.
     
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    JohnJohnJohnson Effetely Sipping My Latte OT Supporter

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    yeah I can't tell if it's actually a really good poem, or if I only like it because I relate to it personally.
     
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    Maybe it's a good poem because it's relateable :hs:
     
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    Not a big fan of the poem, but I agree with the message.
     
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    I approve of this post.

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    so, i read it aloud. it has some weaknesses. for one thing, it's NOT for reading out loud. the poem is much better read from paper because reading it out loud destroys the line breaks.

    "But anything
    worth doing is worth doing badly.
    "

    ^^ vague SAT-question style generalism

    "Like the people who

    came back from Provence (when it was Provence)

    and said it was pretty but the food was greasy.
    "

    ^^ personal grievance, snippy tone that doesn't flow with the rest of the poem. even though I agree COMPLETELY.

    "Listened to her

    while we ate lunch.
    "

    ^^ lame

    "or the marriage fails"

    ^^ logically inconsistent with his message later on in the piece

    Other than that I think it's well done. The metaphors are somewhat lofty but they are written in such simple language that they avoid alienating you.

    Maybe OT can fix it up :hs:
     

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